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No that is pointless, they can just get somebody else to buy them for them. What is needed is a national ban on firearms for anyone except police officers. We must think of a way to convince the American public to give up their right to bear arms. That is the only way to stop shooting sprees like the one in Arizona I'm afraid.
Wishful thinking. Banning the public from owning a firearm only serves to ban law-abiding citizens from owning a firearm. To criminals, it's just another law in their way.
As for the premise that mentally unstable individuals should not have guns. The question begs: Do we ban all people with mental illnesses from exercising their second amendment rights? Do we just ban people with certain illnesses? Do we create "levels" of mental illness and prevent ones past a certain point from owning a gun?
Some food for thought; ADHD is a mental illness that is becoming more and more common. People with ADHD are relatively harmless for the most part... with the exception of a minor percentage who have problems keeping their tempers and rage in check and thus are extremely violent. Ban them all or ban just some of them?
Not everyone with a mental illness is dangerous. In fact, most mentally ill people are not dangerous.
Obviously we're talking about different degrees of mental illness. We're not talking about someone with severe OCD here....but real symptoms of being a nutcase. Just can't go around selling those folks firearms. I'm an Arizonan, and i'm a Second Amendment guy, but damn...there had to be some limits.
I would not be comfortable with my medical records being recorded on a Federal level and open for access by local police, government and, most likely private sector retrieval. I am already annoyed by my firearms purchases being recorded and sent to the Federals. My health and my firearms status are both my business and not the government or anyone else’s.
On a practical level onerous background checks do not limit gun ownership but only drive the purchaser to the underground market. This is the same as all prohibited substances.
I agree. As long as there is a demand, there will be a supply.
I can't describe those countries as particularly free, and the past century gives plenty of examples of what happens when people are defenseless against a government run amok.
No offense, but most of those countries rank way higher on the democracy index than the US.
Obviously we're talking about different degrees of mental illness. We're not talking about someone with severe OCD here....but real symptoms of being a nutcase. Just can't go around selling those folks firearms. I'm an Arizonan, and i'm a Second Amendment guy, but damn...there had to be some limits.
What should those limits be?
This guy had expressed some pretty crazy things,but from all we have seen,none of it was actually threatening violence to anyone....even in the college he wasn't violent,he was nutty.
People were scared of him but should that be grounds enough to have someone committed to a mental institution??
Just found out that this guy had spent time in a mental institution for dangerous mental behavior. So why oh why was this idiot allowed to own a gun?
I'm a gun owner, I love guns, I support the ability for mentally stable individuals to own firearms and to have a concealed deadly weapons permit.
But AZ's laws say that you can still get both of those things, even with the long mental history that this idiot had.
Is it time we institute a national policy to fix this? I'm not sure how its worded, but look at Virginia Tech, the Tuscon shootings, and several others. All perpetrated by people with known mental conditions and issues.
Wishful thinking. Banning the public from owning a firearm only serves to ban law-abiding citizens from owning a firearm. To criminals, it's just another law in their way.
As for the premise that mentally unstable individuals should not have guns. The question begs: Do we ban all people with mental illnesses from exercising their second amendment rights? Do we just ban people with certain illnesses? Do we create "levels" of mental illness and prevent ones past a certain point from owning a gun?
Some food for thought; ADHD is a mental illness that is becoming more and more common. People with ADHD are relatively harmless for the most part... with the exception of a minor percentage who have problems keeping their tempers and rage in check and thus are extremely violent. Ban them all or ban just some of them?
And thats why I myself voted depends. I could see this issue being used by the anti gun lobby as a means of restricting guns from a lot of people that don't need it.
But its obvious now that we've had mentally deranged people who have a history of mental illness who have legally bought guns, one of which even got a concealed deadly weapons permit, and then go out and massacre people. That needs to be changed, IMO.
For instance, this man was denied military service, why? Because he was mentally unstable.
Do we need more than this to determine that an individual needs to be banned from owning a gun?
I agree, "mentally ill" is a broad statement, and the law would have to be worded and aimed directly at specific people with a long history of mental conditions that pose a threat. This guy had been reported by teachers, the military, mental health experts, and people in his classes as being disturbed well before Saturday.
Okay, if we spin that further, where will it end? Should students carry guns on campus, should children carry guns on their way to kindergarten? That is pure madness, don't you think?
Of age students on college campuses with CCW permits should be able to carry. That whole "gun free zone" at VA Tech sure worked. Maybe the .gov can put up a force field next time.
Kindergarteners? Really? Their teachers? Yes. Licensed teachers should be allowed to carry. I'm not talking about a woman who carries in her purse. I'm talking about carrying on the person in a concealed holster.
Madness? A few carrying teachers could have ended the CO school shooting in a matter of minutes.
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