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View Poll Results: Do you support a new investigation or not?
I do - too many unanswered questions 62 31.79%
I don't - all has been answered 123 63.08%
I don't know or I'm not sure 10 5.13%
Voters: 195. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-31-2011, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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NO !!!!!!! Rational people KNOW that throwing an aluminum can against a steel wall .... AT ANY VELOCITY ... will produce a flattened can with minimal damage to the steel wall.

That's likely why aluminum bullets aren't very popular .... that's why armor piercing munitions are created ... because heavy gauge steel is highly resistant to penetration.

I've actually heard people claim that the exterior wall was made of thin steel 1/4 to 3/8 " thick .... TOTAL NONSENSE. The exterior walls of the WTC were made up of 5,828 prefabricated panels, each 10' x 36' weighing 22 tons EACH, constructed of individual box columns 14" by 3" thick steel plate connected together with steel plate spandrels. The floors were 4" steel reinforced concrete slabs laid atop 1 1/2 steel plate floor pan, reinforced with steel trusses underneath.

Anyone who thinks that an aluminum plane nose will slice through structural steel that is for all intent and purpose is STEEL ARMOR PLATE, vertically, or that the even lighter aluminum wings will slice through that wall AND ALSO penetrate horizontally through 5 floors of 1 1/2 inch steel plate/4 inches of reinforced concrete flooring, disappearing completely into the structure, are TOTALLY OUT OF THEIR MINDS, lacking the intellectual capacity of a potted plant.
As I said you just keep looking sillier with each post.

I doubt that anyone on this thread is taking you seriously anymore.

Once again... thousands of people saw those airplanes crash into the Twin Towers. FACT! So stop with your baloney because rational people know what happened on 9/11.

I will make one more point... airplanes striking a building at 400+ mph will do a lot of damage! Whatever they are made of, they will do a lot of damage.
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Old 01-31-2011, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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NO !!!!!!! Rational people KNOW that throwing an aluminum can against a steel wall .... AT ANY VELOCITY ... will produce a flattened can with minimal damage to the steel wall.
And when the day comes that we are attacked by aluminum cans and we begin building our skyscrapers with steel walls, that might be a meaningful statement. As it is, however, it is merely idiotic and insane.

All you are doing here is misrepresenting both the construction of the WTC towers, and the construction of commercial aircraft.

These are also among the things you did not apparently study in jeweler school.
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:40 PM
 
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Guy, so because two people did not see a plane (and thousands did), it means there was no plane? Then where are the passengers who were on flights 11 and 175?

As for those endless youtube videos you keep posting, you are not "proving" anything. Again, thousands of people saw those planes crash into the Twin Towers. Were thousands of people hallucinating? You really should step back into reality.

So, where are the passengers?
What "thousands" saw any planes except as TV viewers via the complicit media?? The people reporting passenger planes were 99.9% media figures and "man on the street amateur videos" have been shown to be frauds. The very few on the street that we heard from saw or heard everything from a small plane to a prop plane to a military plane to a missile to a passenger plane to no plane at all.

There were not only no real planes at the Pentagon and Shanksville, there were no real planes at the WTCs either so there were no real passengers. But you have to study and GET that there were no planes before your belief matrix will allow you to go there as regards the alleged passengers. There is plenty of information that has recently emerged.


"THE 16-SECOND 'MAGIC SEQUENCE'

This is the 16-second sequence of the "second airplane approach" These four clips are the ONLY LIVE IMAGES (of the alleged "Flight 175") still to be found on the official 9/11 TV archives. I have put them together sequentially to highlight this 'curious coincidence': Is it plausible that 4 cameramen just happened to film a 'slice' of the full airplane approach, all 4 'slices' then combining into a seamless, full 'airplane approach sequence'? Or is this - more plausibly perhaps - a prefabricated sequence of computer-animated imagery ?

The full sequence of the four 'plane approach' shots breaks down in this way:

-16sec to -15sec : "DIVEBOMBER"(cbs)
-15sec to -7sec : "THE BALL"(nbc)
-7sec to -4sec : "THE WINGTIP"(cbs)
-3sec to 0sec : "INTERNATIONAL SHOT"(abc)


In the real world, the odds for this sequence to occur are, of course, astronomically remote. Much as the endless string of bizarre 'coincidences' pushed by the official 9/11 storyline, this extraordinary occurrence challenges our very limits of credulity. "

See the videos referred to above plus more analysis at:

SeptemberClues.info | The Central Role of the News Media on 9/11

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Old 01-31-2011, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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What "thousands" saw any planes except as TV viewers via the complicit media?? The people reporting passenger planes were 99.9% media figures and "man on the street amateur videos" have been shown to be frauds. The very few on the street that we heard from saw or heard everything from a small plane to a prop plane to a military plane to a missile to a passenger plane to no plane at all.

There were not only no real planes at the Pentagon and Shanksville, there were no real planes at the WTCs either so there were no real passengers. But you have to study and GET that there were no planes before your belief matrix will allow you to go there as regards the alleged passengers. There is plenty of information that has recently emerged.


"THE 16-SECOND 'MAGIC SEQUENCE'

This is the 16-second sequence of the "second airplane approach" These four clips are the ONLY LIVE IMAGES (of the alleged "Flight 175") still to be found on the official 9/11 TV archives. I have put them together sequentially to highlight this 'curious coincidence': Is it plausible that 4 cameramen just happened to film a 'slice' of the full airplane approach, all 4 'slices' then combining into a seamless, full 'airplane approach sequence'? Or is this - more plausibly perhaps - a prefabricated sequence of computer-animated imagery ?

The full sequence of the four 'plane approach' shots breaks down in this way:

-16sec to -15sec : "DIVEBOMBER"(cbs)
-15sec to -7sec : "THE BALL"(nbc)
-7sec to -4sec : "THE WINGTIP"(cbs)
-3sec to 0sec : "INTERNATIONAL SHOT"(abc)


In the real world, the odds for this sequence to occur are, of course, astronomically remote. Much as the endless string of bizarre 'coincidences' pushed by the official 9/11 storyline, this extraordinary occurrence challenges our very limits of credulity. "

See the videos referred to above plus more analysis at:

SeptemberClues.info | The Central Role of the News Media on 9/11

See posts #678 and #708.

So tell me... where is Barbara Olson?

BTW, do you really believe the baloney you posted above?
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Old 01-31-2011, 11:54 PM
 
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When are people going to learn, that when the Government commits a crime, it is not a crime?

Remember, the Constitution is just a god-damned piece of paper.

Besides, the Constitution doesn't specifically (per se) prohibit the Government from committing this type of crime.

Even for the sovereign individual, shooting one's own foot is not illegal.
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Old 02-01-2011, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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This is the 16-second sequence of the "second airplane approach" These four clips are the ONLY LIVE IMAGES (of the alleged "Flight 175") still to be found on the official 9/11 TV archives. I have put them together sequentially to highlight this 'curious coincidence': Is it plausible that 4 cameramen just happened to film a 'slice' of the full airplane approach, all 4 'slices' then combining into a seamless, full 'airplane approach sequence'? Or is this - more plausibly perhaps - a prefabricated sequence of computer-animated imagery ?



In the real world, the odds for this sequence to occur are, of course, astronomically remote. Much as the endless string of bizarre 'coincidences' pushed by the official 9/11 storyline, this extraordinary occurrence challenges our very limits of credulity. "

See the videos referred to above plus more analysis at:

SeptemberClues.info | The Central Role of the News Media on 9/11

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in the real world when a disaster happens the news gets on location..and is there to see the second disaster



geee a plane hits the first tower..do you think the news is going to ignore it,, or are they going to send crews????

you find it a """'curious coincidence'""" that news crews were able to film the SECOND plane while reporting the first incident????




again your 'theory' fails

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Old 02-01-2011, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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in the real world when a disaster happens the news gets on location..and is there to see the second disaster



geee a plane hits the first tower..do you think the news is going to ignor it,, or are they going to send crews????




again your 'theory' fails
There are people who witnessed the first plane hitting the tower but didn't have a video camera in their hand at the moment. Again, the streets of lower Manhattan are hardly deserted at 8:46 a.m., and a low-flying plane over the city got a lot of attention.

The OP seems to be long gone, and her original thought about an investigation has brought out all the reasons why there probably never will be one. The ignorance about the basic facts about the World Trade Center itself, let alone the recovery and investigation efforts afterward would just get these people laughed out in the early stages of any such attempt. Any serious questions about the intelligence failures, etc., get lost in the silly nonsense.
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Old 02-01-2011, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I would like to see the results of a "cold case" criminal investigation of this crime as a huge mass murder. Determine Who, What, When, Where and How without any domestic or international political or financial, except as relevant to the case, considerations.
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Old 02-01-2011, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I would like to see the results of a "cold case" criminal investigation of this crime as a huge mass murder. Determine Who, What, When, Where and How without any domestic or international political or financial, except as relevant to the case, considerations.
who...alq's 19 terroists
what..attack america
when... on sept 11
where...NYC, pa,dc
how. by hijacking planes and crashing them
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Old 02-01-2011, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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There were not only no real planes at the Pentagon and Shanksville, there were no real planes at the WTCs either so there were no real passengers. But you have to study and GET that there were no planes before your belief matrix will allow you to go there as regards the alleged passengers. There is plenty of information that has recently emerged.


Or is this - more plausibly perhaps - a prefabricated sequence of computer-animated imagery ?
so you are going to TRY to tell us that those REAL PLANES were not real and they were 'computer generated'......right and I got a bridge to sell ya
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