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Your current standards for passport may or may not have applied then. That is the information I have, and the source is far more credible to me than you.
there has only been one change to the indonesian citizenship law since 1961 ( Indonesian citizenship law to change | Bali Blog ). since 2006 a biological child of a indonesian national can have dual citizenship till the age of 21. since neither of obama's biological parents were indonesian and he was 44 at the time the new indonesian law was passed this has zero affect on our discussion.
as far as credibility of sources go........ what are your sources? you've never said. when i mentioned US state department law/policy i listed the US state department as my source. do you have a more credible link than that?
Your current standards for passport may or may not have applied then. That is the information I have, and the source is far more credible to me than you. Go to the birthers site and see what they say.
I read them all. They are wrong in general, and on this issue specifically.
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So far, even the Governor of Hawaii opines that what has been produced to date is lacking.
There is a requirement that he or be a natural born citizen and above a certain age. Evidence of that is, and has for a long time been, the birth certificate. Why this is so hard to get through so many closed minds is beyond me. It is a simple test to prove, if it were true.
That simple test was performed in June of 2008. Obama passed it with flying colors.
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There is no Constitutional requirement for the states to listen, and that came right out of your backside, and you and everyone else knows it.
I refer you directly to the US Constitution:
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Article IV - The States
Section 1 - Each State to Honor all others
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.
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Are you telling me that if a Republican with such a dubious background ran for the Presidency and refused dogedly to produce the document, you would rely on the say-so of a highly-Republican state's government?
I would have no choice. The US Constitution dictates that the "the say-so of a highly-Republican state's government" must be accepted by all other states as true.
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When his wife admitted he was born in Kenya, did that not register at least a little bit in your mind, that perhaps something is amiss.
Since his wife never made any such admission, no. It raised no concern.
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There is an old adage, where there is smoke, there is fire.
And of course, that is only one of the many "old adages" that is rarely true.
In this case, where there is smoke, there are smoke blowers.
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And how about the fact that there were two different announcements in two different newspapers listing two different hospitals??
Thisis a brand new original Birther lie that even I have never heard before. Neither of the birth announcements named any hospital at all.
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It is and was common for foreign born children to have a birth listing put in the paper so they could be claimed as U.S. citizens.
Another unique and original lie that not even other Birthers are making.
Nor do the ones that are said to be coming soon to allow the regulatory agencies headed by his czars and other regulators. Ah yes, he is about to try to make things so much easier for his people.
It is bad enough when you guys make up imaginary EOs from the past. It is egregious when you make up imaginary EOs from the future.
I try to stick with what has actually happened. I understand this is an alien concept to most of you, but hey. Just sayin...
It doesn't bother you that nobody can release the document without the man himself wanting it to happen, but these people say they have seen the document and that it what it is?
Nope. Does it bother you?
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It seems to me that they violated the law by so doing, but then since I have accepted what they say do I have to accept the fact that he could release the thing if he wanted to.
Here is a classic example of the Birther ability to move goal posts in two different directions at the same time.
First, they whine about the refusal of DoH officials to violate the law and release the birth certificate.
But at the same time, when those DoH officials try to release the information, if it disagrees with the Birther prejudice, they are accused of violating the law.
It is among the absurdities that keeps Birthers so entertaining.
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My problem with this document has been that I think he wants to keep people split up over the document. Either it is that or there really isn't one there, else why would he keep trying to keep it hidden from view.
That question has been asked and answered so many times it is clear that you guys ask it without caring one whit whether there is an answer or not.
1. It sets a disastrous precedent for the ability of future Presidents to ignore nut cases.
2. Birthers have already preemptively declared anything he released to be a forgery. So why bother?
3. It would not end a single court case or gain him a single vote.
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I won't accept what has been said, up to now, until he releases that document or his enrollment papers at Occidental College, now Occidental U.
If my birth certificate was burned up in a fire, would that mean that I was never born?
No.
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