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I'm more than a little irritated that our politicians are at each others throats over the environment and the EPA. Considering that the evironment is where we live, can't we all agree that it needs to be protected? I don't know why anybody, liberal, conservative, or whatever, would want to reduce EPA regulations that protect the planet that we all LIVE on. Yeah it costs taxpayer dollars but saving the planet is a good cause! If lower taxes mean more us than a healthy planet that I think it's about time we take a look at ourselves in the mirror and think about what needs to change.
Maybe it's because some want to use the excuse of the environment to advance their wealth distribution agenda.
The e.p.a. shpuld be dismantled asap!!!! They have cost us millions of good jobs, caused the cost of living to increase 5 times normal inflation, and they are more concerned with lining the pockets of brothers, sisters, inlaws and friends than true looking out for the enviroment. Let wake the hell up folks, the epa has friday meetings to tell the employees to think up a new crisis, and on monda they try to decide who had the best "crisis" to be addressed idea to run in front of your evening news camera with. Remember the SUPERFUND to clean up "dioxin? Yeah, in Times Beach, missouri, the town was bought out completely. They wasted BILLIONS of our tax $ doing a supposed "clean up". But guess what? The north side of i-44 was where they burnt the dirt, but on the south side of I-44 where it was supposed to have been the "worst contamination ever seen", they NEVER TOUCHED IT and now the entire area is "SAFE" ? Oh, and to cover their stupidity, these epa clowns came out with a statement that said after 15 years in the sunlight, dioxin is untracible and therefore safe. Explain to me how the brother in law of the old epa director and the epa together whose company did the "clean up" figured out this no longer a toxic problem?
WAKE UP TREEHUGGERS, You've been dupped. And anything short of eliminating the epa is a fraud, and the UN's ticket to keep taking away our Constitutional Property rights.
BTW, What was the "computer model" of ourr air if we didn't stop driving completely 20 years ago vs. reality ? LOL
SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.
It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.
The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.
The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.
No problem right? We can just backtrack from the adjusted data since important stuff like this will be well documented. This is where the HARRY_READ_ME.txt file comes in. Apparently these are bunch of amateur programmers. There is little or no revision history of the data or even the code they used to make adjustments. As one example there is one comment about finding two files with the exact same file name but different code with nothing to indicate date or revision which leaves Harry to making wild guesses.
....It takes energy and throughput to produce a product, so if they make products that last 30 years they make less money. Build a T.V. that breaks in five years, not 15 years. Build a car that wears out at 100,000 miles, not 250,000 miles.
...To change how we view our environment we will have to change how we view life, and the force of life from which every stone, every stream, every plant, every last breathing thing came. Americans respect money more than they respect the life force, or God from which we came.
How unfortunate we have not found balance.
Ecovlke, I salute your last thought, but think you are wrong in the earlier premise.
Cars used to be shot at 60,000 miles, needed tuneups every 12,000 miles, new points and plugs and carberator rebuilds and tires far more frequently. Now almost any car will run 250,000 miles, and they need virtually no maintenance for the first 100,000 miles.
TV's used to continually require new tubes; now you plug them in and they work, untouched, for years.
Lots of products have gotten better and better and longer-lived.
"Conservatives" believe that businesses making money is ALL that matters. To them, it doesn't matter if businesses pollute our rivers by dumping toxic waste in them... allow toxins to flow freely into our air.
To them, the facts don't matter that people, wildlife and the environment are getting cancer and dying from the by-products of those businesses. Denial works very well in the conservative mind... they can easily forget about the true costs of doing business while they're out spending their lobby controlled paychecks.
It makes them really angry when you force them to consider how their acceptable "cost of doing business" effects the rest of us.
The "conservatives" believe that businesses making money is ALL that matters. To them, it doesn't matter if businesses pollute our rivers by dumping toxic waste in them... allow toxins to flow freely into our air.
To them, the facts don't matter that people, wildlife and the environment are getting cancer and dying from the by-products of those businesses. Denial works very well in the conservative mind... they can easily forget about the true costs of doing business while they're out spending their lobby controlled paychecks.
It makes them really angry when you force them to consider how their acceptable "cost of doing business" effects the rest of us.
Yea, we love dirty water and air. Bring it on!
Read your History, the EPA came about during the Nixon administration and the most profound environmental legislation ever signed into law the 1990 amendment to the Clean Air Act was the baby of one George Herbert Walker Bush....
"During his 1988 campaign, the President vowed to amend the Nation's clean air laws, saying that "every American expects and deserves to breathe clean air." The Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990, signed into law today, triumphantly fulfill that pledge. Through his leadership, the President broke the 13-year clean air stalemate by submitting an innovative, market-based bill which will achieve the nation's environmental goals in the most effective manner.
Read your History, the EPA came about during the Nixon administration and the most profound environmental legislation ever signed into law was the baby of one George Herbert Walker Bush....
That was a long time ago. Since then, there have been many, many types of businesses exposed for their environmental "practices"... how it's effecting their employees and the people who live around them... who drink the water or build houses on their toxic dumpsites.
If you listen to the news, you know that your party is fighting against any effort to enforce enviromental laws on businesses in every state.
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"Conservatives" believe that businesses making money is ALL that matters. To them, it doesn't matter if businesses pollute our rivers by dumping toxic waste in them... allow toxins to flow freely into our air.
To them, the facts don't matter that people, wildlife and the environment are getting cancer and dying from the by-products of those businesses. Denial works very well in the conservative mind... they can easily forget about the true costs of doing business while they're out spending their lobby controlled paychecks.
It makes them really angry when you force them to consider how their acceptable "cost of doing business" effects the rest of us.
Whoa!!!!!
We abandon old water wells to protect the aquifers.
Why don't the scientists show us the data that brought them to their conclusions. Until then I will think they are liars .
I don't want "feelings" just factual information.
Why don't the scientists show us the data that brought them to their conclusions. Until then I will think they are liars .
I don't want "feelings" just factual information.
The facts are exposed and then it always becomes a massive court battle.
Instead of spending money to right the wrong, the corporate response is always denial and coverup.
Here is an example of how these battles are fought.
Pay attention to the part where the companies KNEW the dangers to humans and have denied the responsibility - even to their employees that developed health issues after working with this chemical.
Keep in mind that Agent Orange was sprayed in America, as well. People are still alive who are living with the effects of Agent Orange.
Meanwhile, battles with Dow and Monsanto are still going on.
This is the way environmental battles are fought. Exposure, denial, lawyers, corporations and their lobbiest.
There are plenty of other examples... FACTUAL INFORMATION.... if you really want facts.
Last edited by World Citizen; 01-23-2011 at 08:47 AM..
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Meanwhile, people are dying...
