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Those type of arguments are ridiculous. Ease of access to guns is a problem in this country and that's a fact!
Easy access to a car and a public lake is how Susan Smith killed her kids. Andrea Yates had easy access to a bathtub and water to kill her kids. Lets ban cars, water and bathtubs because more Americans have those and easier access than to firearms!
Good heavens, it is the individual who does the killing who is responsible not their tool of choice. Get a clue!
Supporters blame those gun ban failures on the ease of getting guns in the rest of the country. They claim that unless the ban covers the entire country, it isn't a fair test of how well a ban will work. Still, that doesn't explain why gun bans actually increase, rather than decrease, murder rates.
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What is a fact is that you personally have serious issues with other people legally owning firearms. You've made that more than clear in numerous posts.
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It is also a fact, thre are over 200 MILLION of firearms in private ownership in the US. You want to round up all of us because of some random nuts? Good luck. The cat is outta the bag.
You people don't want to listen. You take a statement like "ease of access" and turn it into "confiscate all guns".
It's too easy to get a gun in this country and that's a fact!
Ease of access is mostly in the favor of criminals. In the inner city of just about anywhere you can find a gun without much difficulty.
Drugs have been banned in this country for decades yet they are more plentiful than ever before. If America decides to ban guns then what?
Think about ridiculous arguments and real life.
Listen up son. Who is talking about a "gun ban"? People like you are just looking for an argument. I didn't say anything about banning guns. Blind you are.
You people don't want to listen. You take a statement like "ease of access" and turn it into "confiscate all guns".
It's too easy to get a gun in this country and that's a fact!
We people are tired of those of your mindset using every incident as an excuse to bleat for further restrictions. You use your mantra of "common sense laws" and "it's just a small sacrifice" to endlessly add to the list of laws that burden lawful gun owners and do nothing to stop crime.
You'd love to confiscate all guns but realize an outright effort to do that would meet with too much resistance. Instead, you use the death by 1000 cuts approach. Keep demanding more restrictions and you'll eventually have your gun free utopia. Problem is criminals will still be armed as they don't care about breaking the law.
As far as your claim of it being too easy to get a gun being a fact that is patently untrue. It's your opinion.
We people are tired of those of your mindset using every incident as an excuse to bleat for further restrictions. You use your mantra of "common sense laws" and "it's just a small sacrifice" to endlessly add to the list of laws that burden lawful gun owners and do nothing to stop crime.
You'd love to confiscate all guns but realize an outright effort to do that would meet with too much resistance. Instead, you use the death by 1000 cuts approach. Keep demanding more restrictions and you'll eventually have your gun free utopia. Problem is criminals will still be armed as they don't care about breaking the law.
As far as your claim of it being too easy to get a gun being a fact that is patently untrue. It's your opinion.
No, it's a fact. Guns are too easy to get in this country. Whether it's on the street, "legal" gun shows, or the recent example in AZ and their corrupt gun retailers. How does a thorough screening process turn into "confiscate all guns". [SIZE=2][/SIZE]Just look to the new Republican legislature in Minnesota. These morons were barking about jobs and the economy and what's the first bill they bring up? A bill to eliminate state background checks when purchasing firearms. They said the process is redundant because gun retailers also have to do a federal background check. Ahhh yes, but there's a problem
541 people applied to buy guns last year in Bloomington, MN and 37 were denied because of the state background check. With just the federal check, all 37 would have been able to get guns. 38 states rely solely on the federal database. There's a perfect example of why the permit process needs to be more stringent.
What ever happened to those right wing "common sense solutions"
All of you both left and right, are attempting to find and apply a rational solution to very unfortunate incidents caused by irrational insanity. I do not believe the problem can be solved by any form of gun or weapons control because the problem is created by the irrational. Banning guns is as unlikely as banning insanity. Maybe these kinds of tragedies can be avoided by more awareness of mental disturbance along with affordable treatment but I doubt if either will ever be tried.
As far as your claim of it being too easy to get a gun being a fact that is patently untrue. It's your opinion.
I can purchase a gun from any number of people I know, no questions asked, and have it within an hour. You've never gotten a firearm from a friend, a brother in law, your Aunt Gertie? Never traded a shotgun for a pistol?
Every gun I've owned (and I've owned plenty) has been bought that way.
I can purchase a gun from any number of people I know, no questions asked, and have it within an hour. You've never gotten a firearm from a friend, a brother in law, your Aunt Gertie? Never traded a shotgun for a pistol?
Every gun I've owned (and I've owned plenty) has been bought that way.
Are you identifying yourself as part of the perceived problem or advocating that private party transfers be made illegal? If your answer is the latter how would you suggest such a policy be enforced?
As has been said regarding all of the other reactionary proposals the only people that would comply would be the already law abiding citizens. They are not the problem.
No, it's a fact. Guns are too easy to get in this country. Whether it's on the street, "legal" gun shows, or the recent example in AZ and their corrupt gun retailers. How does a thorough screening process turn into "confiscate all guns". [SIZE=2][/SIZE]Just look to the new Republican legislature in Minnesota. These morons were barking about jobs and the economy and what's the first bill they bring up? A bill to eliminate state background checks when purchasing firearms. They said the process is redundant because gun retailers also have to do a federal background check. Ahhh yes, but there's a problem
541 people applied to buy guns last year in Bloomington, MN and 37 were denied because of the state background check. With just the federal check, all 37 would have been able to get guns. 38 states rely solely on the federal database. There's a perfect example of why the permit process needs to be more stringent.
What ever happened to those right wing "common sense solutions"
No ozzie, it's your opinion. Everything in the above post are incidents that contributed to your holding that opinion.
You have shown nothing other than speculation on your part that the 37 individuals that were denied permission to purchase would not have had the same thing happen with a federal check. Bold type and use of emoticons does not make it the truth.
If MN is coming up with disqualifiers in their background checks that aren't appearing in the federal databases MN is failing to report disqualifying offenses in a timely fashion as required by law.
Your solution to the AZ shooting was restriction of magazine capacities. You clamored for this stating "it's just a small sacrifice" despite FBI and DOJ statistics showing the expired full capacity magazine ban had no demonstrable effect in reducing crime. Now you're clamoring for more intrusion into law abiding citizens lives based on evidence (you presented) that points to a failure of your own state agencies to provide information to the federal government. You even took it a step further and attempted to turn things into a partisan issue.
You've clearly demonstrated time and again an eagerness to use tragedy as an excuse to further your personal anti-gun agenda. You will always cry for just one more law as if that will somehow solve all the problems of the world. You won't be satisfied until there is total prohibition of ownership.
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There's a perfect example of why the permit process needs to be more stringent.
