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Old 02-07-2011, 05:32 PM
 
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English though is the international language when you have meetings with folks from all over the world.

It will hurt folks more here in the US not to learn English.
I volunteer in a school predominantly Hispanic and I am constantly asking the students to speak English. They know English just fine; I have asked just in case they were ESL students. There is a difference.
How does this pertain to the post you're replying to?
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Old 02-08-2011, 09:08 AM
 
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I'm an ESL teacher. How am I anti-English?

How can we save "trillions" when our total GDP is roughly $14 trillion. So at the lowest number printing things in different languages is roughly worth 7% of GDP?

You clearly don't understand. It's not a personal attack, but when you post things like we could save "perhaps Trillions(sic)", it shows a complete and utter lack of understanding.

If you do not know the current cultural models of assimilation and state I'm "anti-English" for proposing MORE resources for English, then it shows a complete and utter lack of understanding.

That's not a personal attack.

I'm simply pointing out the FACT that you clearly do not understand the issue at hand.

You stated that I have "no respect to this country's heritage". My entire last post was how our national heritage is an amalgam of cultures. I simply posed the question of what culture should people assimilate to. It was meant to show that this notion of Anglo homogeneity is not truly existent, nor ever has been. So even your coup de grace was a complete and utter failure of understanding our nation's heritage.

I understand you.
Your first response was Anti English.

If you are an ESL teacher you understand the importance of English as our nations language, and would support it.

English is our heritage & culture.
Our language is the foundation of this country & to divide it would be destructive.
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Old 02-08-2011, 10:54 AM
 
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I understand you.
Your first response was Anti English.

If you are an ESL teacher you understand the importance of English as our nations language, and would support it.

English is our heritage & culture.
Our language is the foundation of this country & to divide it would be destructive.
You don't have a grasp of US history. Your views are hyper nationalistic. So much so to the point that those that simply agree with not having full immersion and want MORE ESL classes is somehow anti-American.

I can't debate somebody that is this off topic and not even relevant. So instead of wasting time, please read up on US history and gain some general understanding of immigrant communities in the US. Then learn some theories of ESL. After that, do a little sociological and demographic research on how assimilation works. It would prove beneficial as to broaden your horizons instead of relying on bumper sticker slogans as a basis of an argument.
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Old 02-08-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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You also have to realize the older you get, the harder it is to learn a new language. If you go and meet Americans abroad, many of them speak only English and have only American friends. Part of this age. The older one is, the harder to change speech patterns. In order to successfully have more universal English usage is to have more programs available.

What's more telling than first generation English usage is second and third generation English usage. It shows whether English is being encouraged. Typically by third generation, the VAST majority of people speak English. Even by second generation, the majority of people speak English.
I've read that the second generation usually is bilingual, and by third generation they speak only English. Semantics. Good post, but you bring common sense, facts and cognizance beyond hyperbole. That might work on some people, but for the xenophobes are blind to facts. English only is a way to justify disenfranchisement more than it is for states to save money. It's similar to the old Jim Crow laws.

The English only laws are a raw nerve for me since I'm the first generation that doesn't speak our Native American language.
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Old 02-08-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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I can understand wanting to have English as the primary language, or at least, one of the predominant languages of the U.S. What I don't understand is making it the ONLY official language. Why prevent other languages from being able to gain official, or even semi-official status?
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Old 02-08-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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I understand you.
Your first response was Anti English.

If you are an ESL teacher you understand the importance of English as our nations language, and would support it.

English is our heritage & culture.
Our language is the foundation of this country & to divide it would be destructive.
So is American Sign Language. So is Spanish. So are countless other languages. One of the beautiful aspects of American heritage is that it's made up of other heritages, cultures, and languages.
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:20 AM
 
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So is American Sign Language. So is Spanish. So are countless other languages. One of the beautiful aspects of American heritage is that it's made up of other heritages, cultures, and languages.
Yes American Heritage starts with its language, music, history, Arts its roots from the founding of this country. American symbolism, and a shared commonality
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:24 AM
 
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I can understand wanting to have English as the primary language, or at least, one of the predominant languages of the U.S. What I don't understand is making it the ONLY official language. Why prevent other languages from being able to gain official, or even semi-official status?
A country does not need two or three competing languages.

If thats the case, just make two separate countries.
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:29 AM
 
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If we called the Language American or United States it would be easier to accept.
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Old 02-09-2011, 07:39 AM
 
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You don't have a grasp of US history. Your views are hyper nationalistic. So much so to the point that those that simply agree with not having full immersion and want MORE ESL classes is somehow anti-American.

I can't debate somebody that is this off topic and not even relevant. So instead of wasting time, please read up on US history and gain some general understanding of immigrant communities in the US. Then learn some theories of ESL. After that, do a little sociological and demographic research on how assimilation works. It would prove beneficial as to broaden your horizons instead of relying on bumper sticker slogans as a basis of an argument.

I HOPE YOUR LISTENING.

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A nation needs a common language as it needs a common currency,” said Governor Richard D. Lamm of Colorado
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