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Old 02-03-2011, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Well there is already a ban in process for some substances, that doesn't work.

We should quit taxing cigarettes, make the penalty for selling or supplying to minors greater, and let the American people make up their own minds.
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:05 AM
 
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Hell no, and legalize marijuana!
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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I am a reformed smoker. I smoked for over 25 years before I quit. I started when I was in the 9th grade, in military school.

That being said, even though I no longer smoke, and detest the smell now, I am against a ban. Bar owners should decide if they want to allow smoking in their establishments, and people should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to smoke or not.

Reminds me of a joke though. A guy on his 85th birthday is being interviewed by a local reporter at the guy's home. His wife is in the kitchen getting some coffee, when a large fuss erupts in the room across the hall. The reporter asked what was going on, and the guy answers, "that's my dad, he's drunk and out of cigarettes again.".
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:17 AM
 
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I don't smoke but I don't really care if you want to puff on the cancer stick. If it bothers me I'll walk away. I'm a grown-up.

As for restaurants that allow it? Don't go into them. If they decide they will make more money by catering to non-smokers they'll do it.
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:20 AM
 
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I don't smoke but I don't really care if you want to puff on the cancer stick. If it bothers me I'll walk away. I'm a grown-up.
As for restaurants that allow it? Don't go into them. If they decide they will make more money by catering to non-smokers they'll do it.
But why should the non smoker have to make the adjustment?
Why shouldn't they be able to go into any public place and enjoy clean air?

Let the smokers indulge all they want but in their own space where they don't pollute the lungs of innocent people.
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:25 AM
 
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But why should the non smoker have to make the adjustment?
Why shouldn't they be able to go into any public place and enjoy clean air?
Because it's a free country. I have to adjust to the idiot with the "boom boom" stereo. I have to deal with crowds of people if I go to the movies, or the grocery store, or whatever. I have to deal with traffic driving to work, etc.

That's what you get when you live in a city. You have to interact with and be around people. Don't like it? Move to a rural area where you can hug trees and breathe fresh air all day long to your heart's content.
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Let the smokers indulge all they want but in their own space where they don't pollute the lungs of innocent people.
Grow up and be an adult and stop depending on the government to sterilize everything for you.
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:30 AM
 
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Because it's a free country. I have to adjust to the idiot with the "boom boom" stereo. I have to deal with crowds of people if I go to the movies, or the grocery store, or whatever. I have to deal with traffic driving to work, etc.
That's what you get when you live in a city. You have to interact with and be around people. Don't like it? Move to a rural area where you can hug trees and breathe fresh air all day long to your heart's content.

Grow up and be an adult and stop depending on the government to sterilize everything for you.
Wow Calvanist I usually respect your post and your opinion but am disappointed, not your opinion but the way you responded.

Grow up? Really?
I do not want the government to sterilize everything or be involved. Where did you get this? I stated I was against a ban.
I didn't say anything about the gov't intervening. I think each individual establishment should make the rules.
What is that saying: your rights end where my nose begins. I respect others in public places and I don't think it is too much to expect the same.
Smokers should have enough sense and respect for others not to smoke around others-the data on second had smoke is compelling. But if they don't have enough common courtesy to respect others then I want the business to help the patrons out.
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:39 AM
 
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Wow Calvanist I usually respect your post and your opinion but am disappointed, not your opinion but the way you responded.

Grow up? Really?
I do not want the government to sterilize everything or be involved. Where did you get this? I stated I was against a ban.
I didn't say anything about the gov't intervening. I think each individual establishment should make the rules.
I got the impression you were for a ban. I'm sorry if I misunderstood. As for the "grow up" comment? It wasn't intended at you directly--it's toward anyone that thinks the government exists to coddle them. If that doesn't include you, great.
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What is that saying: your rights end where my nose begins. I respect others in public places and I don't think it is too much to expect the same.
I understand that, but if you choose to live among other people you need to expect to have some inconveniences. I personally have never had an issue with simply staying away from smokers. When my kids were babies I didn't go to a bowling alley because I figured there would be smoke there. That's just part of being a responsible parent.

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Smokers should have enough sense and respect for others not to smoke around others-the data on second had smoke is compelling.
Where are you going that it's such an issue? If it's a bar, restaurant, etc...don't go there. You don't have to patronize a place where smokers are. Nor should you have a constitutional right to do so.
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But if they don't have enough common courtesy to respect others then I want the business to help the patrons out.
The business has the choice to do that if they want. If they make more money of 10 smokers than 100 non-smokers, so be it. That's what makes this country great--we have freedom.
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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But why should the non smoker have to make the adjustment?
Why shouldn't they be able to go into any public place and enjoy clean air?

Let the smokers indulge all they want but in their own space where they don't pollute the lungs of innocent people.
Why not? Isn't the Restaurant owner's decision to allow smoking? Or the bar owner? They should be allowed to cater to the clientele they desire. If they want smokers, and you don't smoke, it will be your decision to go there, not forcing the owner of the establishment to meet YOUR needs.
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Old 02-03-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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I got the impression you were for a ban. I'm sorry if I misunderstood. As for the "grow up" comment? It wasn't intended at you directly--it's toward anyone that thinks the government exists to coddle them. If that doesn't include you, great.
I understand that, but if you choose to live among other people you need to expect to have some inconveniences. I personally have never had an issue with simply staying away from smokers. When my kids were babies I didn't go to a bowling alley because I figured there would be smoke there. That's just part of being a responsible parent.
Where are you going that it's such an issue? If it's a bar, restaurant, etc...don't go there. You don't have to patronize a place where smokers are. Nor should you have a constitutional right to do so.
The business has the choice to do that if they want. If they make more money of 10 smokers than 100 non-smokers, so be it. That's what makes this country great--we have freedom.
No problem.

No, as i stated I hate smoking but am not for a ban as it is an individual choice.
I don't go to bars where there is smoking but before when establishments in my state allowed smoking I resented the people who blew smoke in my direction.

So are you saying if someone is in a business with toxic chemicals and they want to release them it is OK with you because I could leave if I don't want to be exposed?

Because the toxins from second hand smoke have been proven to be carcinogenic.
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