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We're talking about passing routine votes, not fixing the economy or winning wars. You vote, and then count the results. You are successful if you win, and a failure if your bills are voted down. Simple, and defintely not very time consuming. They have lost three in as many days, so it does not look like that are doing a very good job at this time.
They clearly weren't routine if virtually all the Dems voted against them. They will have to answer for their votes come 2012. Additionally the Republicans are still powerless because the Dems control the Senate and Executive branch, but they can still embarass the Dems with their votes and as the link points out the Dems are over playing their hand.
Did the GOP campaign on this promise?: "Even if we are elected into majority, we can't accomplish the will of the American people!"
Back to civics class for you. Once the house passes a bill it goes to the Senate for a vote (Dem contolled, not likely to pass Republican bills). If the bill passes both houses of Congress it then goes to the President who can do one of three things sign, it then becomes law, veto the bill or do nothing, a pocket veto. The Dems also control the Executive branch, Obama is not likely to sign Republican bills. The Republicans do not have a governing majority, a situation the American people are likely to remedy in 2012.
They clearly weren't routine if virtually all the Dems voted against them. They will have to answer for their votes come 2012. Additionally the Republicans are still powerless because the Dems control the Senate and Executive branch, but they can still embarass the Dems with their votes and as the link points out the Dems are over playing their hand.
I don't think anyone expects the Dem's to vote differently than they have, so there's no hand being overplayed--party line votes have become pretty routine on both sides, unless it's a very uncontroversial measure, although the Dem's did reach across the isle to remove the small business reporting requirements from HCR. Most Dem's (and evidently tea party members) will applaud an effort to end the Patriot Act, so it may be the establishment R's that will be held accountable.
The shocker is the split between the republicans. The tea party took big republican bucks to help them win seats, and the establishment expected them roll over and play dead. At least half of them aren't. This could get really interesting...
Back to civics class for you. Once the house passes a bill it goes to the Senate for a vote (Dem contolled, not likely to pass Republican bills). If the bill passes both houses of Congress it then goes to the President who can do one of three things sign, it then becomes law, veto the bill or do nothing, a pocket veto. The Dems also control the Executive branch, Obama is not likely to sign Republican bills. The Republicans do not have a governing majority, a situation the American people are likely to remedy in 2012.
Yes...but the problem isn't with the Senate. The problem is that the Republicans can't seem to get bills out of the body of Congress they control--the House--even though they have a solid majority there.
I don't think anyone expects the Dem's to vote differently than they have, so there's no hand being overplayed--party line votes have become pretty routine on both sides, unless it's a very uncontroversial measure, although the Dem's did reach across the isle to remove the small business reporting requirements from HCR. Most Dem's (and evidently tea party members) will applaud an effort to end the Patriot Act, so it may be the establishment R's that will be held accountable.
The shocker is the split between the republicans. The tea party took big republican bucks to help them win seats, and the establishment expected them roll over and play dead. At least half of them aren't. This could get really interesting...
As I have pointed out in other threads, the Tea Party is a different party. As the Dems decline as a party as they have swung so far to the left (DLC can't raise a dime, Blue Dogs got wiped out moderates are run out , see Harman and Webb) so what you viiew as a split, really isn't. The Tea Partiers are filling the void left by the decline of the Dems. I don't know of too may Tea Partiers who consider themselves Republicans and visa versa.
Yes...but the problem isn't with the Senate. The problem is that the Republicans can't seem to get bills out of the body of Congress they control--the House--even though they have a solid majority there.
The point is, what practical difference does it make? Most bills coming out of the House is DOA.
It's a little more then simple if you know basic math. They needed 2/3rds to vote in favor to pass, that's 290 votes.
The republicans hold 279 seats so they need 11 democrats to vote in favor.
But because 11 democrats did not vote in favor they blocked the vote.
It's not the fault of 11 democrats. It's the fault of Leadership in the House not having the votes they needed. And only part of that is a numbers game. The rest is knowing the rules and using them to your best advantage.
"When asked why Republicans put the bill on the floor under a procedural motion that required two-thirds majority to pass, Boehner didn’t have an answer."
What??? How could the Speaker of the House not have an answer as to why he chose this method for trying to pass this legislation? Is he really that stupid?
That's where Nancy Pelosi kicked butt. She got her members on board and she knew how the system worked, so she got things done. So far, the Republicans aren't getting anything accomplished within their own body!
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It shows that the Dems are to blame.
No it doesn't. See above.
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This bill required 290 votes to pass and there were 259 for. Why wouldn't the Dems want $179 million back from the UN?
Who says they don't?
You see, that's the problem with procedural votes like this -- they allow for little debate and don't allow for amendments. It's like it or leave it. Perhaps the Democrats would also like to see that money back, but there was something in the bill that they didn't like, and with a slight modification would have passed it. We don't know, because Boehner decided to shove it down their throats.
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Wow, I thought this only happened when the demwits were in TOTAL charge the last 4 years.
So the REAL PARTY OF NO is the dems and they just proved it.
Well that's certainly the spin Republicans are trying to put on it.
This line in the linked article particularly cracked me up:
"Republicans say that Democrats are overplaying their hand, by registering ‘no’ votes on provisions that can be used against them later."
They clearly weren't routine if virtually all the Dems voted against them. They will have to answer for their votes come 2012.
Well, I think it is Republicans who will have to answer, trying to cram the unconstitutional getapo-act down out throats again. Thank goodness they were stopped.
Well, I think it is Republicans who will have to answer, trying to cram the unconstitutional getapo-act down out throats again. Thank goodness they were stopped.
I heard they were short 1 vote, someone named Lee??
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Back to civics class for you. Once the house passes a bill it goes to the Senate for a vote (Dem contolled, not likely to pass Republican bills). If the bill passes both houses of Congress it then goes to the President who can do one of three things sign, it then becomes law, veto the bill or do nothing, a pocket veto. The Dems also control the Executive branch, Obama is not likely to sign Republican bills. The Republicans do not have a governing majority, a situation the American people are likely to remedy in 2012.
