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Old 02-13-2011, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
So you can't be against the Civil Rights Act without being against civil rights?

Proving people really do believe government is in place to show them how to live their lives
Exactly.

It's amazing how successful the government has been at brainwashing people into believing they are the only ones that can solve our problems.

And every election we seem to have the same problems. But we will fix them this time. Just vote for my side. LOLs.
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:37 AM
 
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I know plenty about the John Birch Society. I was never a memeber but I subscribed to their magazine for plenty of years. Nothing they support could be considered racist or anti-minority or anything else the critics throw at them. And very little of what I have heard Beck say would be comparable to the John Birch folk.
Well you obviously didn't remember it that well, since you started by saying that the JBS did not oppose the civil rights movement, but have now made all sorts of equivocations and explanations for why they opposed the federal effort to pass civil rights legislation. And why they tried to impeach Earl Warren because of Brown v. Board of Education.
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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Well you obviously didn't remember it that well, since you started by saying that the JBS did not oppose the civil rights movement, but have now made all sorts of equivocations and explanations for why they opposed the federal effort to pass civil rights legislation. And why they tried to impeach Earl Warren because of Brown v. Board of Education.
I don't know what to tell you. Opposing the federal civil rights movement is not the equivalent of wanting to oppress blacks. At the same time they oppossed the federal civil rights laws they were supporting state efforts to overthrow the Jim Crow laws.

And they wanted to impeach Warren becasue they believed he was rewriting laws from the bench. Which is unconstitutional. They also wanted to impeach George W. Bush.

They also opposed the Iraq War because they believe George W Bush and Congress violated the Constitution. They are also against the Patriot Act. And NAFTA. And a plethora of other issues.

They are consistent. If it aint in the Constitution then the feds can't do it. Unless they change the Constitution.
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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I was not aware until a few days ago that Fred Koch (father of the Koch brothers) was a founding member of the John Birch Society. I did a little research of my own.

Glenn Beck is following the John Birch Society philosophy, which has always been described as radical ultra right wing. They were against the civil rights movement because of the "communist conspiracy theory". Hey don't take my word for it look it up as Beck says. Read about John Birch society and tell me that Beck is not parroting the same thought that is been around for decades, but he is not alone.

The Koch Brothers are following in their father's footsteps exerting strong political influence. They are calling what has always been called radical and extremism as mainstream. They have changed the outside label, but if you look inside it is just the same ole crap from the John Birch Society.

The interesting thing here is that this groupd of radical conservatives are different from the other radical group of conservatives...Neo Cons. It would seem that we have replaced one radical group of Conservatives with another. Beck would be a good example of a John Birch Republican with Kristol and Cheney being part of the neo con.
Here is some more info. on the Koch bros (Koch senior, actually, pictured on right)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_5Ct...layer_embedded
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:54 AM
 
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I don't know what to tell you. Opposing the federal civil rights movement is not the equivalent of wanting to oppress blacks. At the same time they oppossed the federal civil rights laws they were supporting state efforts to overthrow the Jim Crow laws.

And they wanted to impeach Warren becasue they believed he was rewriting laws from the bench. Which is unconstitutional. They also wanted to impeach George W. Bush.

They also opposed the Iraq War because they believe George W Bush and Congress violated the Constitution. They are also against the Patriot Act. And NAFTA. And a plethora of other issues.

They are consistent. If it aint in the Constitution then the feds can't do it. Unless they change the Constitution.
They are consistant. What is consistant is how they see a communist behind every tree. Sound familiar? I am not as interested in their take on the Constitution...there are a lot of conservatives that feel this way; however, it is the paranoid obsession with communism, socialism and marxism that I find very beck like. Even Ayn Rand said that they are not pro capitalist but more anti-communist.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:04 AM
 
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Here is some more info. on the Koch bros (Koch senior, actually, pictured on right)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_5Ct...layer_embedded
Good post.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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I was not aware until a few days ago that Fred Koch (father of the Koch brothers) was a founding member of the John Birch Society. I did a little research of my own.

Glenn Beck is following the John Birch Society philosophy, which has always been described as radical ultra right wing. They were against the civil rights movement because of the "communist conspiracy theory". Hey don't take my word for it look it up as Beck says. Read about John Birch society and tell me that Beck is not parroting the same thought that is been around for decades, but he is not alone.

The Koch Brothers are following in their father's footsteps exerting strong political influence. They are calling what has always been called radical and extremism as mainstream. They have changed the outside label, but if you look inside it is just the same ole crap from the John Birch Society.

The interesting thing here is that this groupd of radical conservatives are different from the other radical group of conservatives...Neo Cons. It would seem that we have replaced one radical group of Conservatives with another. Beck would be a good example of a John Birch Republican with Kristol and Cheney being part of the neo con.
Good work, it does indeed look like Beck is just a parrot of the JBS.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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They are consistant. What is consistant is how they see a communist behind every tree. Sound familiar? I am not as interested in their take on the Constitution...there are a lot of conservatives that feel this way; however, it is the paranoid obsession with communism, socialism and marxism that I find very beck like. Even Ayn Rand said that they are not pro capitalist but more anti-communist.
And liberals have a paranoid obsession with capatilism. Even though capitalists don't kill people.

I always got the impression the JBS were more anti-United Nations than communist.

And isn't it good to be a little paranoid about communism? Communists are responsible for more than a 100 million deaths. It's nothing anyone should be for or supporting.

And if you think the JBS is paranoid about Communism you should talk to people that live(d) in communist countries. I lived in Cuba for a time. There is good reason to be paranoid about communism.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:25 AM
 
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Good work, it does indeed look like Beck is just a parrot of the JBS.
The John Birch Society wants Mitt Romney to be Presdient? LOLs.

That's a good one.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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RFLAO!!!!

"And, yes, while were at it, and for the record, The John Birch Society is against "civil" rights."

This quote is from their own website.
Rachel Maddow Lavishes Christmas Presents on John Birch Society.

Beck sounds just like the Birch society. Hey look them up if you don't believe me. Read some articles about them, read their history. I am just stating the facts.
Please post your proof where Beck has been against civil rights or racist in any way. Specific examples accompanied by links please.

The left must be very afraid of the information being put out on Beck's shows if going to these insane lengths to smear his name and discredit him.

Is Soros paying you guys well?
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