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Old 02-18-2011, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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What was that obama said in 2009? Elections have consequences - I won.
And the consequences have been quite dire.
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:59 PM
 
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...... If you've to go all Nazi, just go about it at the same time and get it over with.
NAZI? That didn't take long.

What is it with you Progressives and the NAZI reference when things don't go your way?

Sheeesh.
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:27 PM
 
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NAZI? That didn't take long.

What is it with you Progressives and the NAZI reference when things don't go your way?

Sheeesh.
I suspect Einstien he's not doesn't even understand that Nazi stood for:

National Socialist German Workers' Party

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Old 02-18-2011, 11:29 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I suspect Einstien he's not doesn't even understand that Nazi stood for:

National Socialist German Workers' Party

Although the word 'socialist' was in their party name, in reality they weren't. They could have called themselves whatever they want, but it wouldn't have mattered.
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Although the word 'socialist' was in their party name, in reality they weren't.
Sure they were. Just a bit different breed than the Russian style.
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:34 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Sure they were. Just a bit different breed than the Russian style.
Nope. Far from socialists.
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Old 02-22-2011, 04:05 PM
 
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VA teacher here, in a state that has never had a union. Never experienced the negativity that a union can bring. Instead, I know I'm a 6th year teacher held at step 2 pay, in a state with the 4th highest performance in the nation despite being 38th in the nation for education funding. I weep at the idea of some form of representation as we are told, yet again this year, that funds will be cut for education, my pay will be held at pre-2006 wages, insurance rates will go up yet again, AND the state is cutting our retirement. And here, in Virginia, the good old Commonwealth, I get pats on the shoulder saying, "Well, honey, at least you HAVE a job"...
Looking at it through a non-union educator's glasses, I can't imagine nearly as much harm being done by unions as the damage that is being done when teachers have no protection at all. I can no longer afford to teach and support my family. Is this the answer for every state? Is this what you want?
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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VA teacher here, in a state that has never had a union. Never experienced the negativity that a union can bring. Instead, I know I'm a 6th year teacher held at step 2 pay, in a state with the 4th highest performance in the nation despite being 38th in the nation for education funding. I weep at the idea of some form of representation as we are told, yet again this year, that funds will be cut for education, my pay will be held at pre-2006 wages, insurance rates will go up yet again, AND the state is cutting our retirement. And here, in Virginia, the good old Commonwealth, I get pats on the shoulder saying, "Well, honey, at least you HAVE a job"...
Looking at it through a non-union educator's glasses, I can't imagine nearly as much harm being done by unions as the damage that is being done when teachers have no protection at all. I can no longer afford to teach and support my family. Is this the answer for every state? Is this what you want?
I'd prefer a happy medium.

Teachers being paid well, but not grossly overcompensated because a union is interfering with public schools' ability to hire the teachers they want and to pay a competitive market rate.

What are your property taxes?

Take a look at the property taxes on middle-class homes on Long Island, New York for example. They are completely INSANE and 65-70% of the property tax amount goes directly to the school district, and of that money, 70-85% goes directly to compensating the high level workers: unionized teachers, administrators and superintendants.
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:31 PM
 
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VA teacher here, in a state that has never had a union. Never experienced the negativity that a union can bring. Instead, I know I'm a 6th year teacher held at step 2 pay, in a state with the 4th highest performance in the nation despite being 38th in the nation for education funding. I weep at the idea of some form of representation as we are told, yet again this year, that funds will be cut for education, my pay will be held at pre-2006 wages, insurance rates will go up yet again, AND the state is cutting our retirement. And here, in Virginia, the good old Commonwealth, I get pats on the shoulder saying, "Well, honey, at least you HAVE a job"...
Looking at it through a non-union educator's glasses, I can't imagine nearly as much harm being done by unions as the damage that is being done when teachers have no protection at all. I can no longer afford to teach and support my family. Is this the answer for every state? Is this what you want?
So, if you can no longer afford to teach, what field do
you plan on going to in the private sector. Hear there
are long lines for that sort of thing.

If your salary is pre 2006 that's a good thing for you now - your salary is at a place when things cost a lot more. We are at 1.63 percent inflation now. Not like the good old days of 2005 at 2.9 to 4.6 percent.

Health care is an issue that probably faces the private
sector employee much harder than their public counterparts.

If more public sector employees had to "really" bear the
cost of the health insurance coverage, I think we might
all find a clambering for Medicare for ALL/UHC.

Unfortunately, since many public sector employees don't
have a clue about its cost - they don't think it's a major
problem.

As I feel for your situation - welcome to the real world -
a world that those of us in the private sector are all to
familiar with. It's time our public counterparts get
up to speed

Those who tell you "at least you have a job" are right,
because in this climate - you might have
been fired by now, laid off, had your health care coverage
dropped. The private sector isn't for the faint at heart.

That's what public sector was - get lower salary for exchange of security and pension at the end.

Once Unions got involved - they got much more than
the citizens as a whole want to give.
The statement: "We're broke" is a pretty simple one
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:46 PM
 
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VA teacher here, in a state that has never had a union. Never experienced the negativity that a union can bring. Instead, I know I'm a 6th year teacher held at step 2 pay, in a state with the 4th highest performance in the nation despite being 38th in the nation for education funding. I weep at the idea of some form of representation as we are told, yet again this year, that funds will be cut for education, my pay will be held at pre-2006 wages, insurance rates will go up yet again, AND the state is cutting our retirement. And here, in Virginia, the good old Commonwealth, I get pats on the shoulder saying, "Well, honey, at least you HAVE a job"...
Looking at it through a non-union educator's glasses, I can't imagine nearly as much harm being done by unions as the damage that is being done when teachers have no protection at all. I can no longer afford to teach and support my family. Is this the answer for every state? Is this what you want?
I thought people went int the teaching field because they "care" about the children. That is what we here all the time. Salary and beefits are secondary.

What is your states financial situation?

MANY people haven't gotten a raise in a while.

Are you actually saying you should get a raise in these times?

I haven't had one in 2 years myself.
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