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Old 02-21-2011, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Take five steps back and consider the nature of the political conversation in our nation's capital. You would never know that it's taking place at a moment when unemployment is still at 9 percent, when wages for so many people are stagnating at best and when the United States faces unprecedented challenges to its economic dominance.
No, Washington is acting as if the only real problem the United States confronts is the budget deficit; the only test of leadership is whether the president is willing to make big cuts in programs that protect the elderly; and the largest threat to our prosperity comes from public employees.



Take five more steps back and you realize how successful the Tea Party has been. No matter how much liberals may poke fun at them, Tea Party partisans can claim victory in fundamentally altering the country's dialogue.



E.J. Dionne Jr. - The Tea Party is winning

Yeah,from Washington Post
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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I'm a moderate--not a liberal--and I agree that big cuts need to be made. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. The big question is going to be where and how.
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I'm a moderate--not a liberal--and I agree that big cuts need to be made. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. The big question is going to be where and how.
to start with 25% across the board
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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to start with 25% across the board
Cuts everywhere : social spendings, defense, education..To succeed no sector can be forgotten
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Take five steps back and consider the nature of the political conversation in our nation's capital. You would never know that it's taking place at a moment when unemployment is still at 9 percent, when wages for so many people are stagnating at best and when the United States faces unprecedented challenges to its economic dominance.
No, Washington is acting as if the only real problem the United States confronts is the budget deficit; the only test of leadership is whether the president is willing to make big cuts in programs that protect the elderly; and the largest threat to our prosperity comes from public employees.



Take five more steps back and you realize how successful the Tea Party has been. No matter how much liberals may poke fun at them, Tea Party partisans can claim victory in fundamentally altering the country's dialogue.



E.J. Dionne Jr. - The Tea Party is winning

Yeah,from Washington Post
whether you like it or not the tea party started a a grass roots movement. Most American understand that we spend more money than we take in.
whether your a a PHD in economics or not you are able to understand that.
if we keep spending like we are we will collapse. You can take every cent from the very rich and it would not come close to balancing the budget.
So if you let the government take every cent from the rich you would not balance the budget.
the tea party knew long ago to cut the spending first. See what that does.
But we are not talking about the 60 billion for this budget we have to address defense and entitlements.
We need to look at all spending foreign aide over seas troops. If the country collapses we will have to do it then. So why not try the spending side, a serious attempt to control our spending.

Blame who you want, blaming does nothing to stop the bleeding. we have never tried significant real cuts to balance this.
One we get it balanced then we still have the debt hanging over us.
But lets try to stop the spending in a real way.
And that what was the tea party wanted from the start. So Dionne got one right
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Cuts everywhere : social spendings, defense, education..To succeed no sector can be forgotten
Correct
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Gone
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to start with 25% across the board
Not rational, where one program may have more than that that can be cut another may have little room for such cuts. To slash and burn to address the issue is not logical and throws common sense in the trash bin.
Casper
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Gone
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whether you like it or not the tea party started a a grass roots movement. Most American understand that we spend more money than we take in.
whether your a a PHD in economics or not you are able to understand that.
if we keep spending like we are we will collapse. You can take every cent from the very rich and it would not come close to balancing the budget.
So if you let the government take every cent from the rich you would not balance the budget.
the tea party knew long ago to cut the spending first. See what that does.
But we are not talking about the 60 billion for this budget we have to address defense and entitlements.
We need to look at all spending foreign aide over seas troops. If the country collapses we will have to do it then. So why not try the spending side, a serious attempt to control our spending.

Blame who you want, blaming does nothing to stop the bleeding. we have never tried significant real cuts to balance this.
One we get it balanced then we still have the debt hanging over us.
But lets try to stop the spending in a real way.
And that what was the tea party wanted from the start. So Dionne got one right
Just so long as it is the Republicans only doing the cutting, right?
Casper
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:50 PM
 
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Not rational, where one program may have more than that that can be cut another may have little room for such cuts. To slash and burn to address the issue is not logical and throws common sense in the trash bin.
Casper
Because there was no America before all the agencies and programs?
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Cuts everywhere : social spendings, defense, education..To succeed no sector can be forgotten
Succeed at what?

Cutting, like tax breaks, does not create jobs, and that is what is needed by many Americans, right now.
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