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Old 02-22-2011, 06:47 AM
 
Location: west mich
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AMERICAN LIBERALISM, synonymous today with big government, the exact opposite of the liberalism of Edmund Burke and other British champions of individual liberty, arose essentially from the use of the state to alleviate the most severe economic inequalities in society.
Synonymous with big govt? A. Do you know what a synonym is? B. Who made these terms synonymous? (okay, I know - Limbaugh rewrote the dictionary).
FIRST, check a dictionary for the total definition of liberalism, THEN read and post links to other things besides blustery right-wing self-serving narrowthink.
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Oooh, an opinion piece from a conservative rag.
Another anti-liberal screed.
Always trust a site that offers:
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Yes, and the Nov 2010 election will help us roll back some of that "liberalism" we have been tortured with for the last 30+ years.
Um, who has been in power for the last 30 years? Who has deregulated Wall Street? Who has destroyed corporate responsibility to the nation? Who enabled Citizens United? Who destroyed anti-trust laws? Who has allowed corporate political power to grow to the point of control?
This is the liberalism you have suffered through?
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:52 AM
 
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AMERICAN LIBERALISM, synonymous today with big government, the exact opposite of the liberalism of Edmund Burke and other British champions of individual liberty, arose essentially from the use of the state to alleviate the most severe economic inequalities in society. In Great Britain this began in the competition between the Liberal and Conservative leaders, William Ewart Gladstone and Benjamin Disraeli, between 1865 and 1880, and among major European powers with the quest for an unthreatening working class with the founder and first chancellor of the German Empire, Otto von Bismarck. Britain had a great battle over pensions under the chancellor of the exchequer just before the First World War, David Lloyd George.

The American Spectator : The Decline of Liberalism

Oups, sorry for the thumbs up, it's a mistake !
Aside from that it's an interesting article.I don't think liberalism will die, but it'll decline (same thing for the social conservatives, both can't fit in a moderate nation)

Liberalism survives by essentially bribing an electorate to place them in power in exchange for benefits.

Now that we are broke, the liberals will lose power, as the bag of treats that they have to offer in exchange for votes is empty. Witness Wisconsin- libs are essentially funded by the unions and the trial lawyers association as well. Remove a large source of funding for liberalism and you have defanged the animal.
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Old 02-22-2011, 07:45 AM
 
Location: west mich
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Liberalism survives by essentially bribing an electorate to place them in power in exchange for benefits.
Now that we are broke, the liberals will lose power, as the bag of treats that they have to offer in exchange for votes is empty. Witness Wisconsin- libs are essentially funded by the unions and the trial lawyers association as well. Remove a large source of funding for liberalism and you have defanged the animal.
This is different from conservatism? Republicans are above all this, right? Tell us where the funding for conservatives comes from, and why it's better for America.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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The people most likely to be Conservatives are the slowest growing demographic in the country.
Does that correlate to the declining trend in US reading and math education today? Faster growing liberal demographic = dumber.

US not even in the Top 10.

World education rankings: which country does best at reading, maths and science? | News | guardian.co.uk
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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AMERICAN LIBERALISM, synonymous today with big government, the exact opposite of the liberalism of Edmund Burke and other British champions of individual liberty, arose essentially from the use of the state to alleviate the most severe economic inequalities in society...
Aside from that it's an interesting article.I don't think liberalism will die, but it'll decline (same thing for the social conservatives, both can't fit in a moderate nation)
It has been said before...
"Given that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority ... a century of Fascism" - Mussolini

And I'm sure it will be said again.

I can see Thomas Paine going against Edmund Burke, forever.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:07 AM
 
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Does that correlate to the declining trend in US reading and math education today? Faster growing liberal demographic = dumber.
US not even in the Top 10.

World education rankings: which country does best at reading, maths and science? | News | guardian.co.uk
The sad part is that they regard themselves as intellectual.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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FDR led the country out of the Depression, saved 95 percent of the existing institutions and social framework with emergency relief and by bolting a safety net onto them, and channeled economic envy and anger against nonexistent groups (economic royalists, war profiteers, monopolists, munitions makers, malefactors of great wealth, etc.),

That's incorrect. Republican President Theodore Roosevelt's federal government sued 45 companies. So... he sued something that didn't exist?

And hecatomb is burning 100 cattle to the Gods. He made an allegory using it with World War I, and it made little sense to me. To who or what was World War I a burning offering to?

In fact, it looked like a dude using a bunch of smart words, stringing together a bunch of historical mumbo jumbo and then saying Liberals suck.

Heh.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:26 AM
 
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Yes, and the Nov 2010 election will help us roll back some of that "liberalism" we have been tortured with for the last 30+ years.
Enjoy it while you can. The days of Conservative influence is waning decade by decade. You guys get to have one last glorious hurrah then it's over.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Enjoy it while you can. The days of Conservative influence is waning decade by decade. You guys to have one last glorious hurrah then it's over.
Personally, I find that a scary thought. It may really be all over if they get the last glorious hurrah. We just may just end up far back enough to look at these Middle Eastern countries, and even Afghanistan as the land of liberals/progressive ideas.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:32 AM
 
Location: AL
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Liberalism is dead....It was a doom ideology from the begining.
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