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Old 02-24-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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It appears to me that we are suffering badly from a form of collective tyranny by public employee unions. I keep wondering just who is in control of our state and federal governments. Surely public employees all work for the people of the body governed but for some reason their unions which weren't even allowed till 1959 since people like Franklin D. Roosevelt believed as I do as to who should be in control of governments.

Most vocal among the state's 300,000 public employee union members are protesters from the 98,000-member teacher's union, who are now paid, on average, more than $75,000 in wages and benefits. Wisconsin parents should be protesting against these teachers, too many of whom are clearly motivated more by tenured job security rather than improving student performance.
According to the latest federal education data, pathetically less than 40 percent of 8th grade students in the state's government schools meet basic requirements for math and reading performance, even though the state spends more per student ($10,791) than any other Midwest state. In Milwaukee, where the average teacher compensation package exceeds $100,000, the graduation rate is under 50 percent, and for black children it is below 35 percent.


Should these teachers all be tenured based on time in the profession? I would like to see them be tenured on ability and the knowledge their students gain, only, but that is not how it works in Wisconsin and most other states that allow tenure to exist.

Collectivist Tyranny - Alexander's Essays - PatriotPost.US
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:30 PM
 
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It appears to me that we are suffering badly from a form of collective tyranny by public employee unions.
Oh for god ****ing sake!

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teacher's union, who are now paid, on average, more than $75,000 in wages and benefits.
This is exorbitant for professionals with a master's degrees, years of experience and regular courses for certifications? Get ****ing real!
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Oh for god ****ing sake!



This is exorbitant for professionals with a master's degrees, years of experience and regular courses for certifications? Get ****ing real!
When you consider that the taxpayers are paying all of their pension and health insurance money, yes it is very exorbitant. I guess you scanned my link very fast since you don't mention the very low scores of 8th graders and seniors in Wisconsin. Go back and scan it again. Yes, I know that the man who wrote that thing is a conservative but you just can't argue those facts he exposed.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:38 PM
 
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Oh for god ****ing sake!



This is exorbitant for professionals with a master's degrees, years of experience and regular courses for certifications? Get ****ing real!
It appears to me that the OP is completely real. Perhaps a mirror could be of use to you.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:38 PM
 
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When you consider that the taxpayers are paying all of their pension and health insurance money, yes it is very exorbitant.
Fine, then hire idiots to teach your idiot children. Problem solved. Turn the country into a the Home of the Brave and the Land of the Idiots.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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When you consider that the taxpayers are paying all of their pension and health insurance money, yes it is very exorbitant.
What makes taxpayers special?
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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No way I would ever want to be a teacher.

First of all, the money is rotten for the level of qualifications required.

Secondly, you have to deal with a bunch of spotty, ungrateful and usually averagely intelligent kids.

Third, you have to deal with their parents who actually believe that their kids are smart, that butter wouldn't melt in their mouths and it is your job to act as baby-sitter and generally compensate for any of their failings.

Finally, you get to be a political football to be kicked around by whichever disreputable politician needs some sound bites.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:43 PM
 
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Fine, then hire idiots to teach your idiot children. Problem solved. Turn the country into a the Home of the Brave and the Land of the Idiots.
There has been a proven inverse relationship between the amount spent on public education and student performance. The more we spend the worse it gets. Throwing good money after bad hasn't solved the problem. Spending smarter, not more thrown at teachers' unions would seem to be a starting place to cut out what is ineffective.
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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There has been a proven inverse relationship between the amount spent on public education and student performance. The more we spend the worse it gets. Throwing good money after bad hasn't solved the problem.
Fire all the teachers Problem solved
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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Fine, then hire idiots to teach your idiot children. Problem solved. Turn the country into a the Home of the Brave and the Land of the Idiots.
We don't need no idiots to teach our children.

We've got teachers who don't know anything, who wouldn't know how to teach if they did.
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