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Old 02-28-2011, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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FYI, who is the "privileged class" in the USA?

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Old 02-28-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Except yours is at the expense of the taxpayer, who had NO say in your lavish pension and free HC.
What a load of crap. The taxpayers knew for all of my 37 years exactly what I was making. Never once did one come up to me and say, geez times are really good right now, I think we should give you more money. All those years the taxpayers were benefiting at MY expense. Where were you when I needed you??

FWIW, I pay for my own HC and my pension is far from lavish.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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The privileged class owns you, sanrene, see how you do their bidding. And they aren't "public workers" or government employees.
It seems that Sanrene if a proponent of Socialism by trickle-up poverty!
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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What a load of crap. The taxpayers knew for all of my 37 years exactly what I was making. Never once did one come up to me and say, geez times are really good right now, I think we should give you more money. All those years the taxpayers were benefiting at MY expense. Where were you when I needed you??

FWIW, I pay for my own HC and my pension is far from lavish.
No, the taxpayer is just recently finding out what is in those union contracts.

When the unions squawk because their members have to pay a big, heaping 12% of their own (including family) HC premiums, or when they finally have to pay 6% of their own pensions (free before), that doesn't play too well with the average taxpayer/worker, who is paying a lot more than that.

Is there a reason government workers should be given the store?
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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No, the taxpayer is just recently finding out what is in those union contracts.

When the unions squawk because their members have to pay a big, heaping 12% of their own (including family) HC premiums, or when they finally have to pay 6% of their own pensions (free before), that doesn't play too well with the average taxpayer/worker, who is paying a lot more than that.

Is there a reason government workers should be given the store?
Do the taxpayers know this?

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Firefighting is a very dangerous career. Every time firefighters respond to a fire, they are exposed to toxic smoke, flames burning at high temperatures, and the possibility of the building collapsing. Between January and October of 2008, 93 firefighters were killed in the line of duty.

Most firefighters must spend a couple of days a week at a fire station where they can be summoned at any hour to respond to emergencies. They are frequently exposed to toxic smoke, hazardous materials, and experience a lot of on the job stress. Firefighters are diagnosed with above average rates of cardiovascular disease
Firefighter Career and Job Information (http://www.careerprofiles.info/firefighter-career.html - broken link)

You expect someone to do this job on minimum wage without benefits? You had better hope your residence doesn't start on fire, there may not be anyone available to put the fire out and risk their lives to rescue your children!

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Old 02-28-2011, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Compared to almost any private sector financial or corporate manager ALL public employees are paupers even before, let alone after, they retire.

The key to the entire problem is using a progressive tax system to obtain and recirculate the ill gotten gains of our executive aristocracy. No income tax for the bottom 90% and a graduated tax on all income from all sources on the top 10%. These would be Privileged Aristocrats won't like it but they can afford it.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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No, the taxpayer is just recently finding out what is in those union contracts.

When the unions squawk because their members have to pay a big, heaping 12% of their own (including family) HC premiums, or when they finally have to pay 6% of their own pensions (free before), that doesn't play too well with the average taxpayer/worker, who is paying a lot more than that.

Is there a reason government workers should be given the store?
Statistics, please to back up your statements.

Different school districts provide different negotiated benefits for their employees. A few might provide the Cadillac benefits to which you refer, most do not. I always paid for my own dependent coverage, which back in the early 90s was close to $500/mo - at which time, my private sector friends were getting full HC for themselves and dependents, dental, and life. I didn't begrudge them their benefits: I made my choice, they made theirs.

I've already discussed pensions, so will not go into it again except to say I earned mine and I make no apologies for it.
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Old 02-28-2011, 12:18 PM
 
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FYI, who is the "privileged class" in the USA?
LOL...That graph is UNREAL!!!! I'm at work showing it to all these right wing id'jits that i work with. And of course, they're in complete denial.
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Old 02-28-2011, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Ya ya ya :d
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Old 02-28-2011, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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LOL...That graph is UNREAL!!!! I'm at work showing it to all these right wing id'jits that i work with. And of course, they're in complete denial.
And there is more! This is a graph which compares the growth of retirement benefits of public vs. private employees!

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