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Then force him to marry her and be a good father and take care of their kid until he dies. Force him to accept your morality. Like that would ever work.
Two things being argued; one is having an abortion wrong? Other is "Does the state have the right to force a woman to have a medical procedure performed." In the end, it's about control. I see it as no different that the way some cultures control their women. Men rule. Period.
Head Start should be eliminated. A study last year showed that by the First Grade, Head Start students were no better off than non-Head Start kids.
Yet another study? How many freaking studies have to be done before people get the message Head Start doesn't work?
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Originally Posted by ABQConvict
As a religious conservative*, I believe women who are impregnated by their rapist should not only have to carry their baby to term, but they should be forced to marry their rapist as well. Being a single-parent is a sin.
Well according to Yahweh and Jesus and Casper the Friendly Ghost, rape is perfectly okay so long as the man marries the wench after he brutally sodomizes her.
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Originally Posted by Defective14
1. The cost of raising a child is enormous - Estimated to be between $125K - $250K to raise just ONE child, and you feel as if women who get pregnant have no right to determine their financial future? Shame on you, Conservatives and Republicans.
And who funded this unbiased study? Toys 'R Us, Coca-Cola and Nike?
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Originally Posted by Defective14
Granted I could go into more detail and make it long and drawn out, but no doubt the Conservatives and Republicans are already pissed off at this Independent Moderate for making such a declaration. And Liberalcrats? Please, I'm too good for you guys. Both parties are full of **** poor idiots who can't decide on what to do with this country. Anyways, in before baby murder propaganda and Christians who feel they have the right to judge everyone but themselves!
That divine Democratic sacrament by which Liberal women can secretly expunge their bodies of the inconvenient results of their own licentious promiscuity. By sweeping their love affairs and irresponsible drunken rutting under the rug, Abortion elevates women into the ranks of the gods, deciding who will live and who will die. It shows the world that women have a greater claim on the lives of their children than do the children themselves, that the Unborn are mere property, like slaves (or furniture).
In the Liberal world, Women are the smartest, wisest, most caring creatures in the cosmos, so when they turn on their own offspring and kill them, it must be a brilliant, compassionate decision, not to be questioned in any way. Those Conservatives who arrogantly maintain that Liberal women are shameless tramps (who view sex as mere recreation instead of procreation) and sleazy whores who, once maddened by their fear of pregnancy, labor and delivery become cowardly killers, destroying the most defenseless, vulnerable creature they can, the innocent child in their womb (the blameless child who can't even run away from the murderous grasp of its own mother), those Conservatives (most likely Christians) are the real extremists. They're bastards from Hell who just want to punish Democratic Women for having fun. They don't understand that it's a good, holy thing when Democrats kill the unborn
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Originally Posted by RCCCB
I wish the liberals who want to kill all these babies would get worked up like this over enemies of our nation or convicted killers on death row.
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Originally Posted by carterstamp
What the hell is wrong with these people??? Seriously, what an archane asinine thing to do.
So what's next? Post-birth abortions for the 5-year old because he looks like the "Ex?"
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Originally Posted by GregW
The male conservatives want to "keep government out of their private lives" do not consider females to actually have private lives. They consider women to be subject to control by their fathers or husbands and, like all property, not to be subject to self control. Self control, including deciding to have an abortion, would imply that women were full citizens and not slaves. That is anathema to these men. This is a control issue and has nothing to do with the fate of the fetus.
Link?
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Originally Posted by Eleanora1
You see to your own body parts and your own morality and I'll attend to mine.
Actually at about 13-14 weeks it's a sentient being aware of its own existence. Perhaps your vagina is sentient and communicates to you.
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Originally Posted by DontH8Me
When you remove the hysterical subjectivity and irrational lunacy that the anti-abortion crowd is famous for, there is no valid argument to ban abortion.
There is a very valid argument.
Your Supreme Court has decreed that death is the absence of brain-waves. Prior to the first 11-12 weeks, the fetus exhibits no brain-waves. It is effectively dead according to the US Supreme Court, and an abortion performed at the time would be legal and not immoral or unethical.
After that time, it exhibits brain-waves (and you can measure the brain-waves) and it is a sentient being, aware of its own existence. An abortion at that time is murder, since the defintion of murder is the taking of a life for profit, personal gain or benefit, or with premeditation and malice aforethought.
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Originally Posted by Eleanora1
Because guilt should always be the primary motivation when raising children. Pregnancy as punishment is also a wonderful idea.
Right, punishing the child is more noble.
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Where is the requirement that the men who hold half the responsibility for the making of said kid also "see that their kid is alive"?
Well, you took that right away, but we can do that, and since the child half his, he should also have a say in whether nor not an abortion should be permitted.
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This whole thing is getting old.
Makes me wonder what would happen if all the men on this thread saying that they have no problem with it suddenly found themselves female, knocked up, and forced to have the ultrasound.
Bet they would back off mighty quick.
Well, that's incredible. So viewing an ultrasound will provide a woman with money to raise a child? Viewing an ultrasound will provide a woman with the support system needed to raise a child? Viewing an ultrasound will provide a woman with the maturity needed to raise a child? Viewing an ultrasound will provide a woman with the stability needed to raise a child? All of the reasons she had for not bringing a child into the world are going to miraculously change once she views the ultrasound? The miracles of modern emdicine. This is nothing more than unashamed emotional manipulation, and this is all about the pro-lifers getting their way. If they seriously had the best interests of the child at heart as opposed to the embryo, they would not resort to these ridiculous tactics.
Exactly. Viewing the ultrasound will accomplish nothing - it's purely an attempt to punish the woman for making her decision (and it does not take into account that men who don't want children or who are having an affair or casual sex are also behind the decision a lot of the time). That's all this is about. That's why the man who fathered the child is not required to be present - it's only the woman they want to see suffer further.
Oh so what happens when the female who wants an abortion is 13-14 year old having been raped by some pedophile, hm? What if her parents are all for it and YET the child STILL has to hear the ultrasound, huh? What sort of psychological effects would that cause to the victim here, the teenager?
Again, this bill and everything about it REEKS of Republican agenda and Conservative smarkyness. The amendment to the bill matters not, the fact that this is even CONSIDERED is just abhorrent of human society and every person who endorsed this bill, liberal/conservative/republican/democrat alike, have no moral fiber in their beings.
But then again, I am not surprised that Conservative Republicans came up with this bill. Stay classless, right wingers!
women don't need anyone telling them what to do these people that want us subservient is 3rd world thinking.
they assume women do not understand what they are doing? they judge women to be sinful for getting pregnant no matter how it happened
this thread and the feminist thread just show us woman need to keep up the pressure to be in control of our own lives. without the interference of religious groups, groups of conservative politicians and like minded folks.
as long as we have controlling people and politicians trying to remove our rights or to make us "tow their line" we need to keep the pressure up.
we do need exactly what the conservatives fear in the forefront, groups of big, ballsy, scary unattractive, loud mouth women demanding and making noise
the days of women being unable to live the life they want are over.
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these people that want us subservient is 3rd world thinking. 
