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But I would be interested if you actually pointed out where I was wrong about what is really going on? I am not exactly an "old" man, I am not that far removed from what goes on in high schools. Secondly, these events come on the news(like the kid who brought the gun to school). And lastly, one of my nieces friends recently got in trouble for smoking weed at school, and he was already on probation for arson, so now he is headed to juvenile detention. She claims other kids came to school drunk. And when I was in high school it was much the same thing. I "hung around" with many of those kids, and practically everyone I knew was "smoking cigarettes", and that started way back in Junior High.
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Originally Posted by Katiana
Here is an anecdote from my repertoire:
DH had a friend whose son was getting in trouble, getting bad grades, etc, in HS in California, where he lived with his mom. The friend brought his kid out to CO to live with him and put him in public HS in Denver. He got involved with the same kind of kids he hung out with in CA, didn't do any better, continued to get in trouble. FOC then put the kid in Lutheran High, and made his wife (not the kid's mom) drive him there because the kid had lost his driver's license and I guess sonny-boy couldn't take the bus. (Maybe there was no good way to get there on the bus.) So sonny-boy got involved there with the same kind of kids and did no better, continued to get in trouble.
This is just one case, but I have heard of others, where the parents put the kid(s) in religious or "high-academic" private schools to "straighten them out" and it didn't work.
I went to parochial school K-12, in 7th grade a bunch of kids were suspended for selling and taking pills, weed was regularly smoked by students in the 7-8th grades, and at least 7 out of 10 kids smoked cigarettes, and almost all had tried them, alcohol was always around. In 8th grade, 13-14 years old, is also when sexual activity began. People are truly kidding themselves if they think the same things don't go on in parochial schools that happen in public schools, the kids just hide it better. We had religious classes and services all the time, it did no good. I went to a few different schools, and had friends who went to other private schools, so it's not like my school was just some weird anomaly.
I will say I think uniforms, and regularly promoting good ethics (not religious morals, because we weren't following those) make school better, we really didn't have the type of cliques and cruelty I see on TV and movies, or at least very little of it, if that's real. At my schools students tended to treat each other well and judge each other more on personality than clique, I had friends with all sorts of different interests, being uppity or making fun of others wasn't considered cool. I think public school could benefit from those things.
Okay, I hate responding to these ridiculous trolling posts, but I'll do one.
Listen, people. School taxes are not tuition. We pay taxes to support the schools because the entire society works better if we have an educated citizenry. They can find jobs that require education, pay taxes, participate in our democratic institutions.
It doesn't matter whether you have zero kids, one kid, or ten kids. If you live in this society you benefit from the fact that we all support public schools with our taxes.
Jack, at least in my case, you're missing the point.
We're not complaining about paying taxes for public schools. Read any of my posts.
We're complaining about 2 things: our tax dollars funding schools other than public and breeders getting yet another tax credit for personal choices.
Taking money from the schools hurts everyone. That's what vouchers do. They remove funding from public and place it in private.
Additional tax write offs for kids is ridiculous. There shouldn't be any, it takes yet more funding available for other things. It's an entitlement for a specific group of people. From the posts on this board, that's frequently the ones who are against entitlements for those less fortunate than themselves.
I would have liked to have seen a bill the cut the federal department of education and used that money for a tax credit..
but either way it is better then nothing and I am SURE the LIBS will spin this into some kind of money shift to the rich who are the "only" ones who can afford private school
I'm against tax credits for specific groups.
Having kids is a CHOICE; can't afford it, don't breed.
There you go.
I'm against tax credits for specific groups. Having kids is a CHOICE; can't afford it, don't breed.
There you go.
You really feel that way?
I agree that everytime you give a tax break to someone it raises taxes on someone else...
But if you truely feel that way then would be for the "fair tax"
With respect to children I agree... But as it is millions pay taxes for public schools when they have NO children..
The unions for Public schools have increased and increased the cost of education without raising performance.. We have a federal education dept which takes money from the general us population, currently 70 billion, and has done nothing in the way of improving education..
In my school district it costs almost 10k a year for EACH student.. My property taxes are sky high and the schools suck!
Give me the 5k and I will send my kids to a private school and save the public schools money... cut the dept of education and pay for it... you will be giving parents a choice of education for their children...
I strongly oppose public funding for any schooling outside the public schools. I also oppose homeschooling and private schooling on the principal that it leads to isolation and discrimination. I am willing to pay taxes for public schools because education is needed for a successful secular society.
I strongly oppose public funding for any schooling outside the public schools. I also oppose homeschooling and private schooling on the principal that it leads to isolation and discrimination. I am willing to pay taxes for public schools because education is needed for a successful secular society.
Only if Christian schools are included in the credit. The "separation of church and state" people will want to exclude religious schools.
It should be the parents CHOICE... thats what this is all about..
However you watch and see when muslim schools pop up and people find that some of the schools are teaching terrorism to kids essentially being funded by american tax payers... Welcome to AMERICA THE MELTING POT
The separation of church and state has been taken way to far...
Does the current system discriminate against my religion by forceing me to fund public and non religious schools and keeping me from sending my kids to the school I want them to go to because I can not afford it?
I think home owners should be able to get a rebate on the school portion of their property taxes when they are sending a child to private school or are home schooling..
Once my kid is out of school then I dont get the rebate and share the cost like everyone else..
All of this stuff can be twisted and twisted to support any view point..
If family values were not what they are and Public schools were not FAILING our children then there would be no traction for this debate..
But 70 billion for a dep of education that has accomplished nothing.. And an average of 8-9k a year per student for public schools and again... failing.. I think the system has failed.. and yes in large part by politicians thinking they can throw money at the problem and the increase in broken homes and screwed up family values.. and of course..... multiculturaism
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