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Then please tell me what has been your position on US policy with regards to Libya. I must ask because not too long ago, you were whining and complaining about Obama not saying a word about the "murderous regime" in Libya.
I was responding to how 0bama inserted himself in Honduras, but not Iran, and Egypt, but not Libya. I was critical of 0bama because he seems to leap at the chance to give the back of his hand to our allies, but was silent when the country was not an ally. I was responding to an incoherent foreign policy, which has gotten even more incoherent by the day.
Looky there,the USA was the one pushing for a BROADENING of the no fly zone....to include bombing ground forces....
One might almost come to think that the USA led the charge in this new war.....
Mission creep.
I'm sure Obamatrons are convinced that Clinton didn't really take us into war in Yugoslavia. Since it was sanctioned by some other countries, the economy was improving and no Americans had to die, it wasn't really a war now, was it?
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I was ambivalent on Iraq,I couldn't ever figure out what the reasoning was as it changed all the time....but once we were fighting,we might as well do it to win and get the F' out....not linger around rebuilding them into something they are not.
I have to say I don't understand your ambivalence about a full scale invasion while you're so up in arms about this bombing. I'm not a fan of either but have doubts we'll be mired in Libya in 2019.
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So what is the obsession you have with needing UN approval to bomb the crap out of another nation that is of no threat to the USA?
Does it make you feel better or something?
Defiance of UN resolutions was one of those things that were supposed to make us feel better about invading Iraq. Our government, on both sides of the aisle, is remarkably adept at inventing reasons for virtually anything they choose to do, far too many of those actions go unquestioned.
I'm sure Obamatrons are convinced that Clinton didn't really take us into war in Yugoslavia. Since it was sanctioned by some other countries, the economy was improving and no Americans had to die, it wasn't really a war now, was it?
Actually I have had people on the left basically say that as no American lives were lost,the Balkan fiasco was fine....
Guess Serbian civilians being collateralised is okay.
Same as in Libya now,if we have to break a few Libyans in order to protect the oil for France,so be it.
I was responding to how 0bama inserted himself in Honduras, but not Iran, and Egypt, but not Libya. I was critical of 0bama because he seems to leap at the chance to give the back of his hand to our allies, but was silent when the country was not an ally. I was responding to an incoherent foreign policy, which has gotten even more incoherent by the day.
I didn't ask you about Honduras, Iran and Egypt. I asked you to clarify your (foreign policy) position on Libya that you quoted in your previous post. Would you mind telling me about that, so we can get on a debate on Libya and the actions being taken against Gaddafi?
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I was responding to how 0bama inserted himself in Honduras, but not Iran, and Egypt, but not Libya. I was critical of 0bama because he seems to leap at the chance to give the back of his hand to our allies, but was silent when the country was not an ally. I was responding to an incoherent foreign policy, which has gotten even more incoherent by the day.
How do we even know who's an ally these days? It's all more about $$$ than anything else, otherwise how could we for example claim the Saudis as allies while they fund radical, anti-American madrassas?
I have to say I don't understand your ambivalence about a full scale invasion while you're so up in arms about this bombing. I'm not a fan of either but have doubts we'll be mired in Libya in 2019.
Because it wasn't that long after 9/11,we were told an awful lot of things as to why we needed it attack Iraq,most of which turned out to not be true.
It was my mistake,not one I will make again.
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Defiance of UN resolutions was one of those things that were supposed to make us feel better about invading Iraq. Our government, on both sides of the aisle, is remarkably adept at inventing reasons for virtually anything they choose to do, far too many of those actions go unquestioned.
True enough.
I care nothing for 'international law',we are a sovereign nation.
I'm leftist, yes, but I loath all politicians, and am surprised so many people are still foaming at the mouth over thier lies. Obama has done better than Bush. btw, did you or did you not support Bush when he lied about WMD, lied about yellowcake, and attacked a nation without the backing of the UN?
We do not attack another country when our national security is not at risk. But, if we believe our national security is at risk then we do not need the UN to agree with us.
At least Bush presented his case to the people and the congress before invading, obama did neither, so how does that equate to "Obama has done better than Bush"? 0bama is a reckless president.
I'm not going to bother replaying the endless statements by Clinton and the democratic party leaders, who made the same exact case for Saddam and WMDs as Bush did.
Because it wasn't that long after 9/11,we were told an awful lot of things as to why we needed it attack Iraq,most of which turned out to not be true. It was my mistake,not one I will make again.
Don't be so sure.
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