Obama during campaign: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack’ (world, working)

[sanrene]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

The whole quotation:

Where is the imminent threat to the nation?

There are SO MANY quotes from this bunch on the criticisms they had with Iraq...where to start?

[summers73]

Originally Posted by bluebeard

You understand you are arguing with yourself, right?
We are not defending the morality of the action, just the constitutionality of it. We try to make law reflect morality, but it, ultimately, is subject to interpretation by humans. Humans with different ideas.
I personally do not agree with the action. But under the moder-day understanding of law, it was defendable. Should it be defendable? Well, that's a different question. Should congress or citizens argue and protest against it? Yet another!

From the way I'm understanding it, Obamatrons on this forum are already preemptively working on a defense such as "national emergency" (LOL, as if $100 oil is a national emergency) to defend their man.

[bluebeard]

Originally Posted by summers73

"Them dern founders were slaveowners...herp derp!"

I disagree with the 1st part of that quotation. That is blatantly false.
But the last 2 word are spot on.

[ergohead]

Originally Posted by bluebeard

I think his point is that the law and morality aren't the same. He might or might not agree with any of the mentioned actions taken. His point is that based on current laws, they have been defended successfully. That doesn't mean they are what we should actually be doing.
Slavery was implicitly defendable in the original constitution, that does not mean it was right and we should have agreed with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm97CTkgDvc

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Except for the imminent threat part.

Yeah... no wriggle room there!!! No-sir-ee!!

[summers73]

Originally Posted by bluebeard

Canada's next!

I say Chile. They's got copper! Plus, Obama is so much like Allende it would be quite fitting.

[oz in SC]

So...the war power act doesn't apply as there was no imminent threat...

Ad he didn't ask Congress...so that would make this illegal.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

That said...You don't think that oil above $100 a barrel is a threat to the US?

Oil has been over $100 a barrel for awhile.. Are you now telling me we should start a world wide war on every nation which produces oil?

[summers73]

Originally Posted by bluebeard

I disagree with the 1st part of that quotation. That is blatantly false.
But the last 2 word are spot on.

Speaking of herp derp

[bluebeard]

Originally Posted by summers73

I don't understand any of what you are saying so I'm gonna argue a lot

Hmmm, good idea. For for it.