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Old 03-24-2011, 01:27 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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For one, no one pays all of these taxes on that list. And second, we did not have the largest middle class in the world 100 years ago nor was life as rosy are you're putting it.

The peak of this country's productivity was after WW2 where the highest tax bracket was 91%.
Tax brackets have zero to do with tax burden.

Taxes on the rich can't work. See my post above, if we took EVERY dollar from everyone who GROSSES (not taxable income) over $200,000 we would have $2.4 trillion. Where would the other $3.7 Trillion come from?

Plus states would be mad when their number one source of revenue is all kept by the Feds.
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:30 PM
 
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"Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family."

What happened?
What happened?

C'mon...this is a VASTLY different country than it was in 1911, both economically, culturally, socially, militarily, etc....we weren't a world power in 1911 in the way we think of world power nowadays.

And "largest middle class?" What in the hell was "middle class" in 1911? And of course only one parent had to work...married women with families didn't work for the most part back then. And the concept of workers rights and civil rights wasn't even on the radar for most Americans.
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:32 PM
 
Location: North America
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C'mon...this is a VASTLY different country than it was in 1911
Yep. For one thing, we paid less taxes.

The income tax that many of us are doing/filing right now was implemented to pay for World War I.

If you love paying most of what you earn in taxes fine. Just leave my cash alone please thank you.
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:35 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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Government doesn't have an income problem, it has a serious spending problem, that if it isn't stopped, will ruin this country.
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:42 PM
 
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Yep. For one thing, we paid less taxes.

The income tax that many of us are doing/filing right now was implemented to pay for World War I.

If you love paying most of what you earn in taxes fine. Just leave my cash alone please thank you.
Even in that span of time (1911-1918), we were a much different country than we'd been before the war. Sure, they may have paid less taxes, but a hell of a lot of Americans didn't earn much of anything to pay taxes on in 1911.

And no, i don't LOVE what i pay in taxes, but living in a first world country isn't free. The fact is (as much as you may hate it), we're going to have to stop kicking the can to the next generation. We've gotta clear up this debt thing, and raising taxes will be a part of it...a very big part. And we won't be leaving "your cash alone" no matter what you think. Your cash isn't special, and your contribution will be appreciated.
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:44 PM
 
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Interesting List of Taxes that exist today

TAXES:
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

"Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family."

What happened?
They all went to work for the federal or state
government
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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And government spending as a percent of GDP was half what it is today.
Could that would be because private enterprise was flourishing and contributing a greater part to the GDP, and it didn't necessitate government spending? Is it not also possible that government spending goes up but not at the same rate as the GDP that its share is lower as a percentage of the GDP?
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Old 03-24-2011, 02:25 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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Even in that span of time (1911-1918), we were a much different country than we'd been before the war. Sure, they may have paid less taxes, but a hell of a lot of Americans didn't earn much of anything to pay taxes on in 1911.

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The Income tax Amendment wasn't adopted until 1912 and wasn't implemented by the government until 1913 so I find it a stretch to think that individual Americans were paying income tax in 1911. Just about the only Federal taxes upon individuals were on liquor.

Even the first state sales tax wasn't enacted until 1921 in West Virginia.


No big deal but if you are alluding to income tax, just wanted to set the record straight. There weren't very many taxes before the 20th century because government was small and didn't demand the money it does today with a vicious and voracious appetite for more and more money.
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Old 03-24-2011, 02:30 PM
 
Location: North America
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And we won't be leaving "your cash alone" no matter what you think. Your cash isn't special, and your contribution will be appreciated.
This should be the Official Liberal Credo™ (except change "contribution" to "extorted money")
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Old 03-24-2011, 02:32 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Originally Posted by clb10 View Post
Interesting List of Taxes that exist today

TAXES:
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

"Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family."

What happened?
That's a complete retarded list you cut & pasted there. Half of those things the author (I just don't see you writing that) listed are actually user fees and not taxes. It is EXTREMELY reasonable to ask the people who actually use services to pay for those services; are you really whining about utility fees (the author calls it a tax but clearly it isn't)? If you're so butt hurt about having to pay utilities I guess you could turn the water and electricity off but the fact remains they're not a tax.
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