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Old 04-02-2011, 03:24 PM
 
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The people in here who are actually blaming Terry Jones for the Islamic extremists' murdering 20 innocent people kinda proves the point that liberals are the terrorists' greatest ally as they work to bring Sharia Law to take hold in the US, at the expense of our Constitutional rights.

The Causality argument makes zero sense here in the good old USA. This isn't the middle east where a girl getting acid thrown in her face as punishment for not wearing a scarf is considered a reasonable, acceptable, and justifiable punishment. Anybody who defends that is just as off-the-chain crazy as the Islamic extremists.

Think of it this way: If George Clooney burned a bible and then was murdered by a group of extreme US militia, would you defend the militia using Causality logic? Or would you find their extreme reaction to Clooney's act barbaric, inhumane, un-American, and not fitting of the crime?

Timothy McVeigh blew up the Murrow Building because he was angry about the US government's intervening in Waco and Ruby Ridge. Should we blame Clinton as being the true murderer, having blood on his hands, since he was the one who ordered the government's actions?

Maybe now you'll get it.
I have read the posts on this topic and I find not one post that blames the attention seeking pastor for the actions of the murderer. There are posts that state the pastor has some blame. Could you please link the post that blames the pastor for the actions of the murderers?

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Old 04-02-2011, 03:30 PM
 
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I have read the posts on this topic and I find not one post that blames the attention seeking pastor for the actions of the murderer. There are posts that state the pastor has some blame. Could you please link the post that blames the pastor for the actions of the murderers?
Seriously? Well, here's one then-

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I hope pastor Terry Jones is satisfied with whatever he thinks he accomplished by burning the Koran. Innocent people paid a terrible price for his stupidity!
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Old 04-02-2011, 03:34 PM
 
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Seriously? Well, here's one then-
Pastor Terry Jones does have blood on his hands. I didn't see anything in the post that said the islamic murderers were absolved of guilt.
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Old 04-02-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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Pastor Terry Jones does have blood on his hands. I didn't see anything in the post that said the islamic murderers were absolved of guilt.
Karzai's government is extremely unpopular in Afghanistan and they will use any pretext to protest. The pastor just helped them protest.
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Old 04-02-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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Here is the moron pastor Terry Jones trying to put a spin on his idiotic behavior.
Terry Jones on Koran Burning: Afghan U.N. Violence 'Proves' My Point - ABC News
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Old 04-02-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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Karzai's government is extremely unpopular in Afghanistan and they will use any pretext to protest. The pastor just helped them protest.
This thread is not about Karzai. Please don't hijack the thread.
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Old 04-02-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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Seriously? Well, here's one then-
Let's see, The President, Defense Secretary, and General Petraus told this man that if he burns the Koran, it will endanger the lives of American soldiers in Afghanistan. Pastor takes notice of the warnings and decides not to do it. Fast forward 6 months - same danger still in place, Pastor is sad he is no longer plastered all over the news - so he puts the Koran on trial with a jury and everything (ignoring how ridiculously mental such an activity is) and decides to execute the Koran by fire.

Radical Muslims in areas with American soldiers claim the Pastors Koran burning proves that America hates Islam, so they attack the nearest allies.

Is Jones guilty for their deaths? No. Did his stupid actions and failure to take a mature, responsible approach to his freedom contribute to the instability in that area? Absolutely.

If Jones was really so righteous - he'd fly to Afghanistan himself and burn Korans. But he's a coward, and instead stays nicely protected in the US while ally soldiers take the blame for his stupidity.


If you keep poking a tiger in a cage until he gets really really mad, and then the tiger breaks out of its cage and maims an innocent bystander - you didn't actually maim the person, but you instigated the tiger to do so.

Terry Jones is not legally guilty for the murders overseas. He does, however, hold some moral responsibility. Just because we have the freedom to burn crap, doesn't mean we should - especially when the top executives in the country tell you it's a threat to national security.

With Freedom comes responsibility. -Eleanor Roosevelt
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Old 04-02-2011, 03:47 PM
 
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This thread is not about Karzai. Please don't hijack the thread.
Karzai has blood on his hands also by fanning the flames:

Embassy Of Afghanistan / President Karzai strongly denounces... (http://www.embassyofafghanistan.org/PresidentKarzaistronglydenouncesthedesecrationofHo lyQuranbyUSPreacherinFlorida.htm - broken link)

H.E. Hamid Karzai, President of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan condemned in the strongest terms the act of burning the Holy Koran by a pastor in Florida State of the United States calling it a “crime against a religion and the entire Muslim Umma”.

Reports indicate that the Christian preacher Terry Jones supervised the burning of the holy book in front of a crowd of people at his church in Florida on Sunday.

President Karzai on behalf of the Muslim people of Afghanistan and on his own behalf denounced the disrespectful and abhorrent act describing it an effort by circles seeking to incite friction among religions.

The President called on the US and the United Nations to bring to justice the perpetrators of this crime and provide a satisfactory response to the resentment and anger of over 1.5 billion Muslims around the world.
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Old 04-02-2011, 03:48 PM
 
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What do you think this pastor hoped to accomplish by burning the Koran? Was it worth it to this pastor knowing that people were killed as a result? Do you think this pastor should burn the Koran again?
The pastor is a fool and he was also proven right.
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Old 04-02-2011, 03:49 PM
 
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Karzai has blood on his hands also by fanning the flames:

Embassy Of Afghanistan / President Karzai strongly denounces... (http://www.embassyofafghanistan.org/PresidentKarzaistronglydenouncesthedesecrationofHo lyQuranbyUSPreacherinFlorida.htm - broken link)

H.E. Hamid Karzai, President of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan condemned in the strongest terms the act of burning the Holy Koran by a pastor in Florida State of the United States calling it a “crime against a religion and the entire Muslim Umma”.

Reports indicate that the Christian preacher Terry Jones supervised the burning of the holy book in front of a crowd of people at his church in Florida on Sunday.

President Karzai on behalf of the Muslim people of Afghanistan and on his own behalf denounced the disrespectful and abhorrent act describing it an effort by circles seeking to incite friction among religions.

The President called on the US and the United Nations to bring to justice the perpetrators of this crime and provide a satisfactory response to the resentment and anger of over 1.5 billion Muslims around the world.
I agree but that should be another thread Gary.
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