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Actually, I think his analogy is spot on. The pastor was protesting a culture/religion/society that has been proven to consistently oppress its adherents. What is wrong with protesting against human rights abuses perpetuated in Islam? If we continue to placate these sorry excuses of human beings by tiptoe'ing around what might offend them, then we are complicit in their vile acts. They threaten violence to get their way and terrorize people into submission, and as evidenced by this thread, it's working on some. No thank you. I'll have no part of that.
Actually, I think his analogy is spot on. The pastor was protesting a culture/religion/society that has been proven to consistently oppress its adherents. What is wrong with protesting against human rights abuses perpetuated in Islam? If we continue to placate these sorry excuses of human beings by tiptoe'ing around what might offend them, then we are complicit in their vile acts. They threaten violence to get their way and terrorize people into submission, and as evidenced by this thread, it's working on some. No thank you. I'll have no part of that.
I call BS. What makes you think this pastor was doing this to make the world a better place? Is it his erudite interviews? tee hee
Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion; (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
no matter what these are these very freedoms and rights I would fight for and they are the same as the U.S. and most of the EU.
so just like in WW2 when our very freedoms and rights are at risk we fight to make sure we do not lose them. this is what the westren world is about being free and not letting some people that kill innocent people try to tell us what to do or what to say because we express those very freedoms we fought for.
even if it was a stupid thing to do we still are free to say stupid things thats part of living in the free world.
so keep on rocking in the free world!
Exercising his "freedom of expression" led directly to the murders of innocent people half way around the world. There is a thread that connects the burning of the Koran with the violence and the murders in Afghanistan. There is no getting away from it. Actions have consequences.
You are evading the question. Do you consider publicizing the burning of a Koran an insult to Muslims or not?
So it's perfectly fine to insult Christians but not Muslims. Difference is Christians aren't beheading people for insults against their religion while Muslims do.
Every time one of you attack the pastor for burning the book, you're justifying the murders Muslims committed with the excuse of the book burning.
Exercising his "freedom of expression" led directly to the murders of innocent people half way around the world. There is a thread that connects the burning of the Koran with the violence and the murders in Afghanistan. There is no getting away from it. Actions have consequences.
So Muslims are justified in their murdering of people in protest of the book burning because actions have consequences? I'll remember that next time I see a liberal burning an American flag. I'll be sure to tell the judge, "judge, actions have consequences".
I've simply applied your fallacious thinking to the subject of rape to demonstrate that it doesn't stand up to logical stress.
Burning a book is "unfair ideological war"? That's how you characterize a match between one guy in Gainsville, FL vs. 1.5 Billion Muslims?
Your statement above demonstrates exactly why extreme Islamists deserve to be insulted. You know one can burn a Bible in front of a church, a rainbow flag at a gay pride parade or a Packers jersey in Green Bay without fear of having your entire family torched. For some reason, their moon god is too thin skinned to allow such things to happen without deadly retribution.
And Islamists don't murder because of power issues?
The comparison holds. An Islamist will kill the kuffar for any perceived insult to Islam, including burning a Koran, not wearing a veil, or simply not being a Muslim.
On that point we're agreed. And I'm sure nearly every Egyptian Copt, Pakistani Catholic and Iranian Baha'i would also concur. Nobody's innocent, but everyone is entitled to demonstrate an opinion without being beheaded. If you want to pick at the problem of "unfair ideological war", this pastor is insignificant. Start with the jealous, retrograde Islamists you regard with such pity.
I never said burning a book is waging ideological war. However, he was not ONLY burning a book. He was demonizing all of Islam including all people who follow that religion. Is that right? I'd say no. That is just like the Afghans who hate ALL Americans and wage war on ALL Americans just because a few soldiers went into their homes and raped / killed their family. Frankly, I think things are much clearer to me than they are to you because I am not biased towards or against anyone. You are certainly of the thought process that all 1.5 billion Muslims are somehow all aligned with the terrorists -- which is patently untrue. Your argument and examples are the ones that are fallacious and I have already dismantled them. Whether you want to listen to logic is your own business.
I'm a Christian but this doesn't disallow me from using logic. I don't regard "retrograde Islamists" with pity either. You are putting words in my mouth at that point. There is obviously more to the story than just one pastor's burning of a stupid book. It more has to do with the untrue idea that all Americans (and UN) are evil because some of our soldiers terrorized/killed civilians. The ones who hate "american/UN invaders" do not realize that the majority of them are in Afghanistan trying to help the overall situation. Much like many "retrograde Americans" do not realize that most Muslims do not want to terrorize and kill us.
Many Christians have killed in modern times for purely ideological reasons. Any form of extremist religion is no different than another. I regard that Pastor as an extremist in his views -- not because he burned a book necessarily -- but in the sum of his hateful actions. If the US was not such an internally civilized society and extremist Christians could have gotten away with killing people of different ideologies, I'm pretty sure it would happen.
You are evading the question. Do you consider publicizing the burning of a Koran an insult to Muslims or not?
Is being insulted a justifiable reason to murder?
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