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Old 04-10-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Either 100 or 0 percent should be paying Federal Income Tax, starting at gross earning dollar one, every single year. Those who perpetually get back EITC beyond the net FIT they have paid for any 5 year span, are freeloaders.
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Old 04-10-2011, 06:12 PM
 
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If you are earning $30K you arent poor, but you do realize your taxes are 10%, while many are asking for the rich to pay 40% or more...

How would you like your tax bill to be $12K because thats what many here think you should be paying....

Exactly!
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:29 AM
 
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I just say eliminate tax on productivity and tax government granted and protected privilege.
You mean like the payroll tax and other deductions workers have taken out of their paychecks?
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Old 04-11-2011, 12:21 PM
 
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I made 30,000 dollars last year and I paid in about 3,000 in taxes. I got NONE of it back. I thought the bottom fifty percent didn't have to pay taxes?

Many corporations pay ZERO due to loopholes, doesn't that make the rich the freeloaders?
Anecdotal evidence does not make valid comparisons.

FACT of relevancy

47% of tax filers pay $0.00 (or less) in Federal Income Tax

40% of tax filers, not only pay $0.00 in Federal Income Tax, but also get money FROM the government (read, "taxpayers") in the form of Tax Credits exceeding Income Tax Due.

Corporations, as well as all other businesses (LLC, partnerships, sole proprietorships) pay taxes on PROFITs, not GROSS RECEIPTS). Also, it is a mistake to infer that "corporation" equates to "rich".
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Old 04-11-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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You mean like the payroll tax and other deductions workers have taken out of their paychecks?
No, like government protected land deeds, government protected natural resources, government protected limited liability status on corporations, things like that. Geolibertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-11-2011, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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No, like government protected land deeds, government protected natural resources, government protected limited liability status on corporations, things like that. Geolibertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Who and what determines such rent on natural resources? It also sounds like socialism where a person simply "rents" the resources, while the government owns it.
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Old 04-11-2011, 02:25 PM
 
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It's called a "refund" because that's exactly what it is. A refund of your money that you paid in. That's not free money
There are LOTS of americans who pay zero into it, and get a check yearly..
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Old 04-11-2011, 02:25 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Who and what determines such rent on natural resources? It also sounds like socialism where a person simply "rents" the resources, while the government owns it.
There are various models, I prefer the ownership model where the land rent (tax) is paid to the government for the privilege of having them protect your exclusive use of a limited resource. If you were the Irvine family and you owned a couple million acres of land in the middle of Orange County (land bought for pennies from someone who was given the land by government), you would pay a higher tax on undeveloped land and as you develop it, your tax is reduced.

Some land could be held in a private trusts such as they have done in Arden DE for over 100 years.
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Old 04-11-2011, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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There are various models, I prefer the ownership model where the land rent (tax) is paid to the government for the privilege of having them protect your exclusive use of a limited resource. If you were the Irvine family and you owned a couple million acres of land in the middle of Orange County (land bought for pennies from someone who was given the land by government), you would pay a higher tax on undeveloped land and as you develop it, your tax is reduced.

Some land could be held in a private trusts such as they have done in Arden DE for over 100 years.
Are you talking "rent" or "ownership" (of land)?
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Old 04-11-2011, 04:14 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Are you talking "rent" or "ownership" (of land)?
You own the land but you pay the rental value in the form of a tax. This guy is an expert on it.

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