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One translation of "La Raza" in Castilian is "The Race." Since there is no Latino race, the rendering of "La Raza" as "The People" or "The Community" that the NCLR official position favors seems plausible.
Mexico is not in Central America. More to the point, while most Mexicans and particularly Guatemalans may possess a majority of Amerindian admixture, the majority of so-called "Mexican-Americans" and U.S. Hispanics do not, as they possess majority European admixture. As recorded in Genetic admixture and gallbladder disease in Mexican Americans, "Overall, the proportionate genetic contributions from European, Native American, and African ancestries in our sample were 0.575, 0.390, and 0.035, respectively." As recorded in Maximum likelihood estimates of admixture in Northeastern Mexico using 13 short tandem repeat loci, "Maximum likelihood estimates of admixture components yield a trihybrid model with Spanish, Amerindian, and African ancestry with the admixture proportions: 54.99% +/- 3.44, 39.99% +/- 2.57, and 5.02% +/- 2.82, respectively." As recorded in Genetic admixture, self-reported ethnicity, self-estimated admixture, and skin pigmentation among Hispanics and Native Americans, "Among self-identified Hispanics, the average NA admixture is 32.7%...(see Table 1), slightly lower than the 34.1% found by Bonilla et al. (2004a) in their southern Colorado sample. Among self-identified NAs, the average NA admixture is 71.8%..., a value significantly larger than observed in Hispanics (P \ 0.001)."
Mexicans and so-called "Mexican-Americans" constitute 65.5% of the U.S. Hispanic population, meaning that they are more than seven times as numerous as the second most populous Hispanic ethnic group, Puerto Ricans, who constitute 9.1% of U.S. Hispanics. Therefore, it seems probable that a commensurate level of Hispanic activism would be oriented towards the Mexican and "Mexican-American" populations. Guatemalans and so-called "Guatemalan-Americans" only constitute 2.2% of the U.S. Hispanic population, so it seems improbable that they would be similarly represented.
Considered as an Indian ethnological region, the Southwest (including northern Mexico) was relatively sparsely populated compared to Mesoamerica due to the historical disparities in agricultural production and resultant population densities. Amerindian admixture levels in modern populations are proportionate to these historic population densities; as recorded in Analysis of genomic diversity in Mexican Mestizo populations to develop genomic medicine in Mexico, "In most analyses, samples from central regions were closer to ZAP, while samples from northern regions were located closer to CEU, correlating with Amerindian population density in those regions, both in modern days and in the pre-Hispanic period (19)."
The NCLR would presumably focus on aid to Hispanics rather than Anglos, since the underlying assumption of minority group activism is that of underdog advocacy. However, the claim of specific preference for ethnic "Mexican-Americans" other than that which is commensurate to their status as the most populous Hispanic ethnic group (by far), has not been supported. In addition to that, it does not seem plausible because Mexicans do not possess a homogenous racial admixture, instead clustering at various points along the Amerindian-European admixture continuum, which is true of the Hispanic population as a whole, and all constituent ethnic groups. "Mexican-Americans," or "Chicano Hispanics," do possess a more homogenous racial admixture, that of majority European and minority Amerindian genetic background.
Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic are not in South America. Uruguayans and Argentines are mixed-race. As recorded in Genetic Admixture Estimate in the Uruguayan Population Based on the Loci LDLR , GYPA , HBGG , GC and D7S8, "Our genetic admixture estimate showed evidence that the main genetic contribution comes from Europe with a small Amerindian and a minor African contribution with the admixture proportions: 84.1%, 10.4%, and 5.6% respectively. Genetic distances between the Uruguayan sample and several other Latin American populations revealed the closest genetic relationship with the Argentinean capital city, probably because its common history and demographic characteristics."
Aside from that, your claims are assertions without supportive arguments or evidence. It seems relatively straightforward and plausible that the NCLR and Hispanic activist groups would offer services to all Hispanics based on their common linguistic and cultural characteristics, in line with their own officially stated positions. If there is evidence to the contrary, present it.
"El Pueblo" is a linguistic alternative to "La Raza." There is a North Carolina based organization called El Pueblo allied with the NCLR. However, since it seems improbable that an organization would choose the name "The Race" in reference to a specific racial group when that directly contradicts the multi-racial nature of ethnic Latinos, only to deny the meaning of the name that their founders chose, it is fairly reasonable to conclude that "La Raza" ought to be best rendered as "The People" or "The Community."
Sounds like you are covering up for La Raza or "THE RACE"
The entire purpose of this thread is take a viewpoint that is extreme amongst the many Latino political and social viewpoints and promote it as mainstream Latino thinking. It's really no different than those people that take extremist Islamic rhetoric and promote it as mainstream Muslim thinking.
The only this thread proves is the basis of bigotry is ignorance, fear and hatred.
And these people want respect from us, what in the hell are they kidding. They earn no respect. Nothing peaceful about them.
Exactly!!! The groups like Raza, NAACP, ACLU and any other "civil rights" groups are always DEMANDING respect......I guess someone failed to send them the memo that respect is EARNED!
Culturally, it is a Central American country. It is a geographic accident that it is part of "North America" by anyway.
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More to the point, while most Mexicans and particularly Guatemalans may possess a majority of Amerindian admixture, the majority of so-called "Mexican-Americans" and U.S. Hispanics do not, as they possess majority European admixture.
(Barely) "Majority" European, with HEAVY Amerindian admixture.... and nice to see that its Mexicans AND "US HISPANICS" (AKA, the other 35% of Hispanics).
And yet, this assertion does not jive with your later criticism of considering Argentina and Uruguayans majority white.... when discussing Argentinian and Uruguayan populations, with an 85% European component, you say they are "mixed," but it's not valid to claim Mexicans are mixed at 50% European? There are many "white" Americans who have SOME mixture of something or other, but at some point, we got rid of the "one drop rule."
If you are indistinguishable in appearance from other white people (or black, or whatever), you at some point have to not claim "mixed" status because you had a great great grandmother who was a Cherokee princess.
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Mexicans and so-called "Mexican-Americans" constitute 65.5% of the U.S. Hispanic population, meaning that they are more than seven times as numerous as the second most populous Hispanic ethnic group, Puerto Ricans, who constitute 9.1% of U.S. Hispanics. Therefore, it seems probable that a commensurate level of Hispanic activism would be oriented towards the Mexican and "Mexican-American" populations. Guatemalans and so-called "Guatemalan-Americans" only constitute 2.2% of the U.S. Hispanic population, so it seems improbable that they would be similarly represented.
They should drop pretensions for being a "Pan-Hispanic activist" group. As if all Hispanic descent peoples share the peculiar "immigration" issues as the border hoppers. "Latino" issues are aligned with white and black American issues, BUT FOR immigration and language accomodation which wouldn't be necessary without mass illegal immigration.
Groups like LaRaza, etc. WON'T abandon lip service for "all Latinos," however, because they MUST include ALLLLL Hispanics to make their numbers and membership sound more impressive.
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Considered as an Indian ethnological region, the Southwest (including northern Mexico) was relatively sparsely populated compared to Mesoamerica due to the historical disparities in agricultural production and resultant population densities. Amerindian admixture levels in modern populations are proportionate to these historic population densities; as recorded in Analysis of genomic diversity in Mexican Mestizo populations to develop genomic medicine in Mexico, "In most analyses, samples from central regions were closer to ZAP, while samples from northern regions were located closer to CEU, correlating with Amerindian population density in those regions, both in modern days and in the pre-Hispanic period (19)."
This is about as compelling as people from Iberia laying claim or "right" to land in Britain, due to common shared genetic traits. The cultures of the American SW and the cultures of Mexico were not the same, despite a looooong ago common ancestry.
ANY Mexican whose family did not reside in the "change over" areas who now claim spiritual connection to the Southwest United States is a flat out idiot. Those Spanish-Mexican families that DID reside in the new American territories after Guadalupe Hidalgo are the ONLY ones who get to say, "we didn't cross the border, the border crossed us." And that is something like NINE PERCENT of Mexican-Americans today.
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The NCLR would presumably focus on aid to Hispanics rather than Anglos, since the underlying assumption of minority group activism is that of underdog advocacy. However, the claim of specific preference for ethnic "Mexican-Americans" other than that which is commensurate to their status as the most populous Hispanic ethnic group (by far), has not been supported.
"Underdog advocacy" is a polite way to put it.
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Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic are not in South America. Uruguayans and Argentines are mixed-race. As recorded in Genetic Admixture Estimate in the Uruguayan Population Based on the Loci LDLR , GYPA , HBGG , GC and D7S8, "Our genetic admixture estimate showed evidence that the main genetic contribution comes from Europe with a small Amerindian and a minor African contribution with the admixture proportions: 84.1%, 10.4%, and 5.6% respectively. Genetic distances between the Uruguayan sample and several other Latin American populations revealed the closest genetic relationship with the Argentinean capital city, probably because its common history and demographic characteristics."
There is one section of Argentina (NW) that has a significant population of mixed peoples, due to proximity to the Andes. Most Argentines are descended from colonial-era settlers and of the 19th and 20th century immigrants from Europe, and 86.4% of Argentina's population self-identify as of European descent. An estimated 8% of the population is Mestizo, and a further 4% of Argentines are of Arab or Asian heritage. In the last national census, based on self-identification, (1.6%) declared to be Amerindians.
Phenotypically, the majority of Argentinians and Uruguayans are indistinguishibly white. We don't tend to call black Americans "mixed" peoples because they have... what... 10-14% white mixture on average?
Just because the people we see on Telemundo look like Swedish models doesn't mean the average Mexican -- and ESPECIALLY not the ones who typically move to the United States out of economic necessity (read: Indios and Mestizos, heavily discriminated against in Mexico) are "heavily European!"
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Aside from that, your claims are assertions without supportive arguments or evidence. It seems relatively straightforward and plausible that the NCLR and Hispanic activist groups would offer services to all Hispanics based on their common linguistic and cultural characteristics, in line with their own officially stated positions. If there is evidence to the contrary, present it.
And your parsing of words, and excuse making is inexcusable. Again, every "Hispanic" or "Latino" (whatever that actually means) with half a brain knows that "La Raza" is of and for Mexicans and Chicanos first, and that any affectations to the contrary are just that.
Honestly, why bother pretending to represent all Latinos whatsoever? What have they done for Cubans in Miami recently? Or Venezuelans? And what about Spaniards? Are they part of "the people"? One wonders.....
Why is it being used as a textbook of history of mexicans in the USA?
I don't know.......Is it factual? Is it accurate? Is it clear on what is solid history and what is opinion?
Looking at one schools curriculum, it might be used as part of a alternate perspectives of history, a single elective class. But no reference was made as any area of study as being race studies. Ethnic studies yes, race studies no.
(and the Tuscon School Board addressed concerns of their ethnic study issue in this document , in meeting with the states laws (Tucson Unified School District - Announcements)
The District shall not include in its program of instruction any courses or classes that include
any of the following:
1. Promote the overthrow of the United States government;
2. Promote resentment toward a race or class of people;
3. Are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group; and
4. Advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals.
Since I have never read the book mentioned, and neither have you, and the article you quoted was inaccurate in at least one major detail, i see no reason not to use it if it is reasonably factual and accurate? (I've yet to find any k-12 level history book 100% factual and accurate - as history is view differently through the eyes of winners and losers)
Exactly!!! The groups like Raza, NAACP, ACLU and any other "civil rights" groups are always DEMANDING respect......I guess someone failed to send them the memo that respect is EARNED!
Sometimes when you sit atop your high horse, you forget to look down.
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