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Old 04-20-2011, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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The point is the “Have Mores” will use any method to get what they want. What they want in this case is to have an EXCLUSIVE access to a beautiful lakeside beach that had previously been infested with lower class vermin. Once aristocrats have obtained huge amounts of money the next on their list is social exclusivity and then political power to protect their money and privilege. This bunch of land grabbing thieves seems to have gotten what they want.

I see the logical conclusion of the Regan Revolution is private ownership of ALL for the Federal Parks for the exclusive pleasure of the top 1% with access limited to those that can afford to be in the club. Those people will not be you and me but only the multimillionaires that are stealing the Park in Benton Harbor.

Benton Harbor is another loss for the good guys in the never ending Class War.
This. Exactly this. It's nothing more than "wealth redistribution", which rightwingers are supposedly so against, when it comes to the rich having to cough up a penny if G-d forbid it went to helping people less fortunate. But when it comes to taking valuable resources from the poor and handing them over to the rich, their political ideologies go right out the window. It's the poor people's own damn fault, don't you know?

It's their fault Whirlpool moved their manufacturing out of their city. It's their fault the Corporate Headquarters doesn't employ the locals. It's their fault that when businesses leave, creating a huge unemployment problem, that, by definition, leaves the city with fewer tax dollars to use to "clean up their mess" (aka take care of parks and roads and schools and make payrolls, etc.), and leaves residents with less money to spend. And when there are fewer and fewer consumers, more and more businesses will then leave.

It's a vicious circle. And the Republicans' answer isn't to offer incentives for businesses to return to the community and help rebuild it and its' residents, it's to write laws that allow them to come in and steal what's left of their resources -- in fact, their only remaining resource of value -- and give it over to the rich and powerful so they can have a giant playground where they get to exclude the poor residents of the community, further pushing them out and into deeper poverty.

The notion that there will be jobs created for the people of Benton Harbor in this posh, exclusive golf course is laughable. Maybe they'll need a handful of groundskeepers to do the dirty work, and a few busboys and dishwashers to serve them on their silver platters. But the unemployment problem is much bigger than that, and a few low-level grunt jobs aren't going to make even a dent in the problem.

But screw 'em. They should've "fixed" this themselves in only the past year. They should have built their own manufacturing facility and made dog poo art they could distribute world-wide. Yeah! Why didn't they think of that, huh?
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fact benton harbor is bankrupt (in the red)
You don't say!
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fact the park is in decay
Says you.
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fact the city is in decay
Gee, I wonder why.
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fact the average income is less than 15k
Actually, more like $10,000. So what's your point? Poor people don't matter? This is relevant how, exactly?
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fact the population is around 12k
Uhm, so? Do you think just having a list of "facts" that you can make look longer by padding it with irrelevant crap somehow makes you look smarter or more knowledgeable about the situation? Because it doesn't, and you aren't.
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fact jobs and companies have left the area in droves
No S***, Sherlock!
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fact liberals have ZERO PLANS
Really, Kreskin? What other Amazing knowledge do you see in that envelope pressed against your forehead?
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fact this might be the only way to save the park and the city...but liberals are worrying about losing a small corner of a decaying park....and they are playing politics
Hilarious. Republicans couldn't get their greedy paws on prime, shorefront property through any other means, so they get one of the guys who's been with one of the Developers to run for office, then make his FIRST PIECE OF LEGISLATION be the right to take over any city the state pleases, prohibit the elected city leaders from legally blocking their actions anymore, and literally STEAL what they've been trying to get for nearly a decade, and it's the Democrats who are playing politics?

Jesus Christ that's rich!
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defunk the city, have it be annexed to ST. Joes...problem solved
Yeah, wouldn't the rich Republicans just looooove that.

Disgusting.
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Old 04-20-2011, 03:39 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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defunk the city, have it be annexed to ST. Joes...problem solved
If they didn't have a valuable park that wealthy people want to get their hands on that's exactly what would happen and most people in both of these sister cities would be happy about it. But, no, you're on the side of the politicians and judges who have a huge conflict of interest when they wrote the laws/ruled on cases making it easier to do this reverse Robin Hood.
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Old 04-20-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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wayland and jill....you still havent give us your answers...what is YOUR solution

the FACT is the city needs something..and maybe the golfcourse is best solution...still havent seen ANY type of solution from the liberals
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Old 04-20-2011, 04:35 PM
 
Location: MI
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wayland and jill....you still haven't give us your answers...what is YOUR solution

the FACT is the city needs something..and maybe the golfcourse is best solution...still haven't seen ANY type of solution from the liberals
Just refusing to read and understand their posts won't give you another answer. They both have provided enough data to satisfy most. Openness is a mind blowing attribute.

There are motions in the works that may change all of snyder's mess!
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Old 04-20-2011, 04:42 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Just refusing to read and understand their posts won't give you another answer. They both have provided enough data to satisfy most. Openness is a mind blowing attribute.

There are motions in the works that may change all of snyder's mess!
Thank you! That's exactly right.
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Old 04-20-2011, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Just refusing to read and understand their posts won't give you another answer. They both have provided enough data to satisfy most. Openness is a mind blowing attribute.

There are motions in the works that may change all of snyder's mess!
no-one has given any solutions

how will you get the city/town solvent???
how will you get JOBS to the town??

all you do is cry about a run down park....but offer no solutions to the problem.
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Old 04-20-2011, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Just refusing to read and understand their posts won't give you another answer. They both have provided enough data to satisfy most. Openness is a mind blowing attribute.

There are motions in the works that may change all of snyder's mess!
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They both have provided enough data to satisfy most.
they have provided NO DATA on a solution to the decaying city and park...all they are doing is crying the 'evil republican' are going to take a small corner of the park......where is the solution......I am open to sugestions... havent seen any yet...that's why the golf course might be the best solution yet...since its the only thing anyone has offered
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Old 04-20-2011, 04:58 PM
 
Location: MI
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no-one has given any solutions

how will you get the city/town solvent???
how will you get JOBS to the town??

all you do is cry about a run down park....but offer no solutions to the problem.
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they have provided NO DATA on a solution to the decaying city and park...all they are doing is crying the 'evil republican' are going to take a small corner of the park......where is the solution......I am open to sugestions... havent seen any yet...that's why the golf course might be the best solution yet...since its the only thing anyone has offered
Read up!
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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wayland and jill....you still havent give us your answers...what is YOUR solution

the FACT is the city needs something..and maybe the golfcourse is best solution...still havent seen ANY type of solution from the liberals
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no-one has given any solutions

how will you get the city/town solvent???
how will you get JOBS to the town??

all you do is cry about a run down park....but offer no solutions to the problem.
No, that isn't all we're doing. We contend that revitalization and job creation are keys to the success of Benton Harbor, not privatization of their one valuable resource. That park should be part of an effort to attract tourism for the benefit of the CITY, not the benefit of the private owners and the rich!

No doubt you will poo-poo the notion, but since the city's government isn't allowed to take any action outside of calling meetings, business leaders are stepping up to start organizing the community. We happen to have a very successful President who began his career as a Community Organizer, so we know it can be done. We'll keep you posted.
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Auction the town off to the highest Chinese bidder.
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