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Old 04-19-2011, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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as long as you don't get mad and oppsoe this but have you seen the tar sands and in alberta tailings ponds and the the massive natural gas used to hit the biumen into crude but supply the ogas you put in your car and huge job oppertunties and the lowest poeverty rates in north america with 2X the national avg income and 10% of the workers there are Americans that came up after the economic crash for steady work that pays enough money to live a very confortable middler class lifestyle and with demand increaing it major slow down is lack of beeing able to building housing for the workers and their families and a severe shortage of workers which means more US and Canadian employment and after a 2 year degree with 6 month hands on expeience the average yearly median wage is about $80,000- over 100K easy yearly in some fields and trades.

So a person with a grade 12 education by going to one of and accredited trades and apprenticeship schools that give out reconized (CETAC) and (CCDA) not a some shame commuity college that does not reconize your dipolma (if you plan to get US/Canadian duo-citizenship and work up here long term as your career make sure you check the provincal site off aaccredited schools befoe going to so fly by night scam college) and with a few months pre-training working as a roughneck you can apply for an aprenticeship which are 2 years long of trade school or college.

I mean Alberta, Canada is begging for workers esp from the already in the trade or looking to find a a good job and with a good wage and a a huge growth and long term job stability with just grade 12 or GED equivalent


Means it is good in terms that you have a good paying job with a future. Because increasing production 5 times by 2015 or 4 years and already being a massive shotage now at current production.

That shortage of workers means in 4 years 20,000-30,000 even a estimate of 40,000 people will be needed ASAP. so it will employ ALOT of US workers and Canadian workers leaving the auto industry back east with the layoffs and other stuff like plants closing.

Which is good the bad is it is the freaking cold dark winters where inb northren alberta and -40 celsus or -72 degees is what wintewr is like.

I mean Under if unsure you want to move up north an American can come up here with a 1 year wokers visa through NAFTA with easy as a rough neck were with just a grade 12 HS diploma and a two week saftey course.
means some good pay


I mean the avg roughneck earns approximately $300 to $350 a day which equals to an average annual salary of between $40,000 to $47,000 a year and if you can survive -72 harsh winters and hard old school get your hands dirty type of work using a 12 hour rotational shift work.

since your starting out it at the bottom it will be the night shifts or the worst shifts) are and ok with the environmetal impact.
you could leave your wife and kids at home and grab a NAFTA visa 1 year visa and check it out.

But to others before we go nuts about the environmental damage remember this that the even though Athabasca oil sands are often a topic in international trade talks, with energy rivals China and the United States negotiating with Canada for a bigger share of the rapidly increasing output. Production is expected to quadruple between 2005 and 2015, reaching 4 million barrels a day, with increasing political and economic importance.

Currently, most of the oil sands production is exported to the United States.
An agreement has been signed between PetroChina and Enbridge to build a 400,000 barrels per day (64,000 m3/d) pipeline from Edmonton, Alberta, to the west coast port of Kitimat, British Columbia. The pipeline will help export synthetic crude oil from the oil sands to China and elsewhere in the Pacific.
A smaller pipeline will also be built alongside to import condensate to dilute the bitumen. Sinopec, the largest refining and chemical company in China, and China National Petroleum Corporation have bought or are planning to buy shares in major oil sands development.

On August 20, 2009, the U.S. State Department issued a presidential permit for an Alberta Clipper Pipeline that will run from Hardisty, Alberta to Superior, Wisconsin. The pipeline will be capable of carrying up to 450,000 barrels of crude oil a day to refineries in the U.S.


but here is the downside to the fastest growing industry that has made the province have record low enemployment rates of 1.9-2.2 percent. I mean a state or province with 2.0% unemployment are the people that don't want to work because they choose not or have other serious problems with drugs or alcohol)

here is what it looks like though:
but Canada is the largest supplier of crude oil and refined products to the United States, supplying about 20% of total U.S. imports, and exports more oil and products to the U.S. than it consumes itself. In 2006, bitumen production averaged 1.25 million barrels per day (200,000 m3/d) through 81 oil sands projects, representing 47% of total Canadian petroleum production. This proportion is expected to increase in coming decades as bitumen production grows while conventional oil production declines
Most of the oil sands of Canada are located in three major deposits in northern Alberta. These are the Athabasca-Wabiskaw oil sands of north northeastern Alberta, the Cold Lake deposits of east northeastern Alberta, and the Peace River deposits of northwestern Alberta. Between them they cover over 140,000 square kilometres (54,000 sq mi) - an area larger than England - and hold proven reserves of 1.75 trillion barrels is estimated by the government of Alberta said to be recoverable at current prices using current technology, which amounts to 97% of Canadian oil reserves and 75% of total North American petroleum reserves.

The Cold Lake deposits extend across the Alberta's eastern border into Saskatchewan. In addition to the Alberta oil sands, there are major oil sands deposits on Melville Island in the Canadian Arctic islands which are unlikely to see commercial production in the foreseeable future.

The Alberta oil sand deposits contain at least 85% of the world's reserves of natural bitumen (representing 40% of the combined crude bitumen and extra-heavy crude oil reserves in the world), but are the only bitumen deposits concentrated enough to be economically recoverable for conversion to synthetic crude oil at current prices. The largest bitumen deposit, containing about 80% of the Alberta total, and the only one suitable for surface mining, is the Athabasca Oil Sands along the Athabasca River. The mineable area (as defined by the Alberta government) includes 37 townships covering about 3,400 square kilometres (1,300 sq mi) near Fort McMurray. The smaller Cold Lake deposits are important because some of the oil is fluid enough to be extracted by conventional methods. All three Alberta areas are suitable for production using in-situ methods such as cyclic steam stimulation (CSS) and steam assisted gravity drainage (SAGD).


THE BAD





here is how we get the bitumen

the type 0f plants we use to heat and refine it and the emissions it porduces tailing which is all the junk we cannot use after refining

http://www.montrealmirror.com/2009/030509/images/news3-1.jpg (broken link)
But again Canada is the largest supplier of crude oil and refined products to the United States, supplying about 20% of total U.S. imports, and exports more oil and products to the U.S. than it consumes itself. In 2006, bitumen production averaged 1.25 million barrels per day (200,000 m3/d) through 81 oil sands projects, representing 47% of total Canadian petroleum production.
This proportion is expected to increase in coming decades as bitumem production grows while conventional oil production declines

As the switch to more oil independence and not using unstable foreign oil countries but rather look more towards friendly nations and long time allies such as Canada and doing joint venture in devloping better technolgies and other alternatives and a large infastructure to make trading goods quicker, faster and cheaper which Obama said during his speech on getting the US more energy independence.

anyways took forever to write but there ya go

is it good or is bad I don't know but it is the only thing growing at such a fast rate that pays very well and why our economy is almost recovered to below the 2008 crash.

Now increasing so much that un-employment numbers are at record levels and still with the expansion.

they need as many people as possible that don't mind frozen harsh winters and good old school get your fingers dirty maufacturing and fabrication type of work.
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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sorry for the long post did it while drinking the first cup of coffee so sorry about the grammer errors I was half asleep when I wrote it so

i not trying to promote working there heck I tried it and being from vancouver where it is the same mild climate as seattle and westren washington.

I went stayed a winter and left because I am used to rainy, grey and cloudy winters not used to living and working in areas that your at risk for frost bite if unproperly dressed for the harsh winter conditions but spring, summer, fall are nice and mild though
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Old 04-19-2011, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I'd be more upset at you than I am, but luckily I bailed out of post #1 well before the inflight entertainment.
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