War of the Religions in Egypt..Christians vs Muslims (death, bias, rating)
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost
Why did they use Christian rhetoric?
They used the rhetoric - much like Saddam Hussein did - to make justifications to certain portions of their perspective societies, for the purely political motives they have. Adolph Hitler cared about as much for Christianity as Saddam Hussein did for Islam.
They used the rhetoric - much like Saddam Hussein did - to make justifications to certain portions of their perspective societies, for the purely political motives they have. Adolph Hitler cared about as much for Christianity as Saddam Hussein did for Islam.
Hussein was said to have been muttering the "there is no god but allah, and muhammed is his prophet" mantra prior to his hanging. There is no indication that Hitler was that devoted to his religion.
Because it was a way to get people to follow along.
Thank you for helping prove my point that religious has played HUGE role in politics.
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Originally Posted by Bulldawg82
They used the rhetoric - much like Saddam Hussein did - to make justifications to certain portions of their perspective societies, for the purely political motives they have. Adolph Hitler cared about as much for Christianity as Saddam Hussein did for Islam.
Saddam was a Muslim, and most of his enemies were Muslims. The us versus them rhetoric of the Nazis using Christianity as a tool resembles more closely to the Usama Bin Laden approach. After all, aren't there enough people who see this as a Muslim versus Christian issue? Who sold that idea?
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Hussein was said to have been muttering the "there is no god but allah, and muhammed is his prophet" mantra prior to his hanging. There is no indication that Hitler was that devoted to his religion.
Sure. Of course, we don't know what Hitler was saying during his final moments. As for Saddam muttering those things, that may (or may not) be just heresay. Plenty of people who don't think twice about Jesus/Mohamed/Buddha find themselves praying when the fecal matter hits the fan.
Hussein was said to have been muttering the "there is no god but allah, and muhammed is his prophet" mantra prior to his hanging. There is no indication that Hitler was that devoted to his religion.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
- Adolf Hitler, 1922
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Thank you for helping prove my point that religious has played HUGE role in politics.
Saddam was a Muslim, and most of his enemies were Muslims. The us versus them rhetoric of the Nazis using Christianity as a tool resembles more closely to the Usama Bin Laden approach. After all, aren't there enough people who see this as a Muslim versus Christian issue? Who sold that idea?
I don't disagree that people use religion to stir up trouble. Heck, that church burning thing going on in Egypt (between the Coptic Christians and Muslims) was started by a simple lie (an easy way to start conflict and initially get plenty of people on your side - until the lie is found out) that a Muslim convert was being held against her will. I'm just saying that German Christians were not killing Jews - Nazis did. They used Christian rhetoric to gain power, but once in power, they simply followed Hitler's agenda (that had nothing to do with Christianity).
Sure. Of course, we don't know what Hitler was saying during his final moments. As for Saddam muttering those things, that may (or may not) be just heresay. Plenty of people who don't think twice about Jesus/Mohamed/Buddha find themselves praying when the fecal matter hits the fan.
I saw the video. It sure looked like he was saying it. But it does appear he had at least some belief in islam.
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
- Adolf Hitler, 1922
Thank you for illustrating his complete lack of understanding of Christianity.
I don't disagree that people use religion to stir up trouble. Heck, that church burning thing going on in Egypt (between the Coptic Christians and Muslims) was started by a simple lie (an easy way to start conflict and initially get plenty of people on your side - until the lie is found out) that a Muslim convert was being held against her will. I'm just saying that German Christians were not killing Jews - Nazis did. They used Christian rhetoric to gain power, but once in power, they simply followed Hitler's agenda (that had nothing to do with Christianity).
It doesn't matter. Based on the same reasoning you provide, I see not Muslims but those who use Islam to propagate their cause to instill violence to gain political and economic grounds.
If you blame Islam for violence because the violent scream their lungs out with religiosity, blame Christianity for the violence from those who screamed their lungs out with that religiosity. The moment you claim one side as being innocent, and the other side vilified, the bias shows.
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