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Old 05-26-2011, 11:19 AM
 
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And if it costs us a generation of children who grow up confused about their identity due to this social experiment project?
How exactly is this going to cause them to grow up confused.
"So you see, some people are a different gender than the one they're born into."
"Am I a different gender?"
"Do you think you are?"
"No."
"Then probably not."
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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How exactly is this going to cause them to grow up confused.
"So you see, some people are a different gender than the one they're born into."
"Am I a different gender?"
"Do you think you are?"
"No."
"Then probably not."
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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If this program saves one precious child from suicide or prevents one precious child from becoming a cruel predatory bully then it will be worth every penny it costs.
Amen to that.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:29 AM
 
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Again, with the nit-picking of words.

The kids seem to get it. I wonder why the adults don't.

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On Monday morning, children in Cynthia Bagby's kindergarten class discussed whether there were, in fact, "girl colors" and "boy colors." Some giggled when Joel Baum, the trainer from Gender Spectrum, read "My Princess Boy," a nonfiction children's book by Cheryl Kilodavis about her son who liked to wear dresses and a tiara.
"That's a funny boy!" one boy said.
After the story was over, Baum and Stone asked the children how the boy must have felt when people in the book laughed at him for being different.
"It may be unusual, but we don't want to laugh at people, and we don't want to make them feel bad," Baum said.
"Clothes are clothes," he added.
"And people are people," a girl chimed in.
Oakland elementary school teaches children about gender - San Jose Mercury News
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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And if it costs us a generation of children who grow up confused about their identity due to this social experiment project?
Only if you believe that gender identity is a learned behavior could you possibly believe that this program would lead to confusion.

Children are confused now because they get messages from people like the poster above who seems to imply that s/he would 'cure' his/her child(ren) of any 'deviant' thinking. It is these poor children who grow up confused and conflicted and/or become the bulllies who make other childrens' lives miserable.

As the song goes:

"You've got to be taught
Before it's too late
Before you are 6 or 7 or 8
To hate all the people
your relatives hate
You've got to be carefully taught "


yeah, I understand the opposition: people just want to keep protecting their own little fiefdoms of hatred.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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And if it costs us a generation of children who grow up confused about their identity due to this social experiment project?
It won't.

If a kid is gender confused, then they're already gender confused.

That stuff CAN and WILL start young.

The kids who AREN'T gender confused will not magically BECOME gender confused.

There's literally no harm in this program other than to counteract the hatred of the parents to what they falsely believe are "deviants" by clinging onto "traditional values" and cavemen agendas.
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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If a kid is gender confused, then they're already gender confused.
Pretty much that. I knew when I was seven (although I didn't have the words for it then). I've had friends tell me their earliest memories are wishing they were a boy or girl.

A program like this might have saved me a lot of years of self-loathing and fear and depression, actually.
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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[quote=TigerLily24;19321124]Only if you believe that gender identity is a learned behavior could you possibly believe that this program would lead to confusion.

"While Freud's theory was about biological drives, his theory about boys and girls was based on their perceptions about their bodies. Thus for him, the acquisition of a gender identity was a totally psychological process, in which children are born psychosexually neutral then learn to identify with their same sex parent."


About Gender: Freud and Psychoanalysis.
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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Only if you believe that gender identity is a learned behavior could you possibly believe that this program would lead to confusion.

"While Freud's theory was about biological drives, his theory about boys and girls was based on their perceptions about their bodies. Thus for him, the acquisition of a gender identity was a totally psychological process, in which children are born psychosexually neutral then learn to identify with their same sex parent."


About Gender: Freud and Psychoanalysis.
Maybe you should find something more recent that Freud. He may have been the father of modern psychotherapy, but a lot has changed since his time.
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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"While Freud's theory was about biological drives, his theory about boys and girls was based on their perceptions about their bodies. Thus for him, the acquisition of a gender identity was a totally psychological process, in which children are born psychosexually neutral then learn to identify with their same sex parent."


About Gender: Freud and Psychoanalysis.
Seriously?

So by this reasoning, any child raised without their same-sex parent would learn to identify with the parent of the opposite sex and what, 'become' gay?

Really?
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