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Old 02-21-2012, 04:15 AM
 
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They limit personal freedom.

No matter how much better you are at your job than the next person, your compensation is the same.

That just seems wrong to me.
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Old 02-21-2012, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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They limit personal freedom.

No matter how much better you are at your job than the next person, your compensation is the same.

That just seems wrong to me.
Have you ever been forced to join a union?
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Old 02-21-2012, 04:32 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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You're right you don't need a union or employment laws. Until the boss hires his drinking buddy and lays you off. Or changes your schedule to accomodate a player on the company's softball team. Or gets rid of you to hire a frat brother. Or ignores safety protocols and you lose a hand.
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Old 02-21-2012, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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They limit personal freedom.

No matter how much better you are at your job than the next person, your compensation is the same.

That just seems wrong to me.
Another problem is that they make other, non-union people, earn more money. What gives them the right to do that?
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Old 02-21-2012, 05:45 AM
 
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If you're not self-employed or otherwise working in a position with some level of autonomy or responsibility for others why would you care how good you are at your job? It doesn't matter; you're just punching a clock for a paycheck.
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Old 02-21-2012, 05:52 AM
 
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Have you ever been forced to join a union?
If 50% of the workplace votes for a union shop, then you will be forced to join an union in states who are not right to work.
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Old 02-21-2012, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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If 50% of the workplace votes for a union shop, then you will be forced to join an union in states who are not right to work.
Has this ever happened? Do you think it COULD happen? LOL!
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Old 02-21-2012, 05:59 AM
 
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Have you ever been forced to join a union?
If 50% of the workplace votes for a union shop, then you will be forced to join an union in states who are not right to work.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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I love private unions. In most cases they are beneficial for both the workers and the employers. Employers negotiate contracts with pay and benefits that they can afford to pay. Common issues can be addressed to both parties satisfaction. If an employer doesn't want a union, and is fair to his employees, the workers will never vote for a union. If an employer over promises and can't pay, then that is a business mistake and they don't deserve to be bailed out.

Government unions, however, are a different story. Politicians negotiate their contracts. The politicians are not the ones paying for the wages and benefits and are only interested in getting the support of the union voters for the next election. The taxpayer is the one paying and does not have a seat at the table. Even FDR said government workers should not be unionized.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:13 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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They limit personal freedom.

No matter how much better you are at your job than the next person, your compensation is the same.

That just seems wrong to me.

Your personal freedom then allows you the option of refusing a union job.
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