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Old 06-14-2011, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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It's still Texas. And everyone would still rather be in CA. .

Hmmmm.... I think millions of people would disagree with that statement.
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:35 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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According to the second chart, California is 30th.
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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I've gone though public schools and helped my kids through public schools and watched the public schools debate for a few decades. Some things that I'm convinced of are;

1. Spending more does not improve results unless a school doesn't have enough funds for basic materials and facilities.
This is a big problem now, though, and it's only being made worse through more cuts. Using textbooks from 1980 is not acceptable. Underperforming schools in poorer areas usually have massive problems with having decent technology and schoolbooks.

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2. Parental involvement has more impact than all other factors combined.
It's 50% home, 50% school. If you have great parents but a terrible school, you are going to be placed at an equal, albeit slightly different disadvantage than if you have a great school, but terrible parents.

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3. Demographics is a big factor in determining outcomes.
Which is why we need to throw out the idea of having schools funded by their local districts' property and/or income taxes.

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4. A kid can get a very good education in any state, and millions of kids do this every year.
Ok? What's your point? Does that mean we should just ignore the underperforming schools since there are at least a few kids lucky enough to get a decent education?

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5. You cannot judge a state school system by averages for the entire school population.
Have you ever met someone who went to school in Arizona? I'm being serious. As much as Florida's school system is terrible, when I was a graduate assistant for a class in Arizona, I was shocked at the terrible homework and test essays that were handed in. These were kids who were accepted into a major research university, and their writing/critical thinking skills were where we were in early middle school, on average. Many were worse still.
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Old 06-14-2011, 10:03 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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The first teacher a child has is his/her parent(s). The better prepared a child is before entering school is directly proportional to that child's success in school. We try to teach our progeny to excell in academics, and compete for success.

Personal responsibilty begins at home. The reason most kids fail is they are totally unprepared, in basic skills, before they start school. It is hard to learn how to add if you don't know the difference between 1 and 2.
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Old 06-14-2011, 12:13 PM
 
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Oh yeah baby

http://www.edweek.org/media/ew/qc/20...essRelease.pdf

More spending per pupil doesn't mean better scores
I have never heard anyone being proud of being number 14 at anything. I guess they have lower expectations in texas.

Arkansas was number 10, which leads me to doubt the credibility of the index.
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Old 06-14-2011, 12:18 PM
 
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It's still Texas. And everyone would still rather be in CA. The insecurities of someTX posters is so weird...it's always a competition and they have to convince themselves they are winning.
And Californians have to keep saying that "it's still Texas" to convince themselves that they're superior. In spite of the fact that CA is slowing circling the drain.

I've lived both places. Right now, Texas is FAR superior.
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Old 06-14-2011, 12:26 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Default Education ranking : Texas 14th, ahead California

But Texas ranks 43rd in graduation rate...

PolitiFact Texas | Texas has the 43rd best graduation rate in the United States

These rankings can be bogus. Like that edweek thing that gives high weight to nebulous ratings of "curriculum alignment" and "accountability."
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:04 PM
 
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We can add that as reason #2,221 on why Texas is better than California.
Then why would Americans still name California as the state they'd most like to live in (other than their own)?

Harris Interactive: Harris Polls > California, Hawaii and Florida the States Where the Most People Would Like to Live
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:09 PM
 
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Oh yeah baby

http://www.edweek.org/media/ew/qc/20...essRelease.pdf

More spending per pupil doesn't mean better scores
The highest overall grades per your own link are Blue States. New York, Massachusetts, Maryland.

They do in fact spend the highest per pupil.

Texas is given a C+.....wow you are easily impressed.
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:12 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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The list is from 2010.

There are no A's (overall state grade) on that list.

Pathetic.

Where can I find the rankings for 20 years ago?
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