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Old 06-19-2011, 01:20 PM
 
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I believe so too. I also think the exploitation of foreign firms prohibit domestic growth in the economy.
I don't know if that is very good argument because there is numerous examples of land being confiscated from white farmers that was turned over to blacks that immediately became unproductive.


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BBC NEWS | Africa | Zimbabwe confirms white farm move
By confiscating the white-owned commercial farms, the government transformed a country that was once the breadbasket of Southern Africa into a net food importer.

And despite good rains there is every prospect of another deficit over the coming season, our correspondent says.

Mr Mugabe has admitted that there was corruption in the distribution of the farms seized from the whites.

Poor blacks farmers, in whose name the land reform was carried out, were often left to fend for themselves.

Without capital, implements or seed, many failed to use the land productively and agricultural output has collapsed.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:23 PM
 
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I don't know if that is very good argument because there is numerous examples of land being confiscated from white farmers that was turned over to blacks that immediately became unproductive.

What does this have to do with economic growth?

The article you posted is irrelevant.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:23 PM
 
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What does this have to do with economic growth?

The article you posted is irrelevant.
Productivity = economic growth
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:26 PM
 
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The same thing could be said of the Aztecs.

Tenochtitlan was a city on par with London, if not larger before the Europeans came over.

They had a military larger than most of Europes countries could tangle with, and they were extremely wealthy.

Disease destroyed their civilization. Then there is the fact they didn't have gun powder.

Bows and arrows, spears, and other weapons do little when compared to cannons and muskets.
I don't know of any case in history of an African or indigenous society being able to impose it's institutions on a larger Asian on Anglo society. That to me, goes hand in hand with a group having a lower IQ level.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:27 PM
 
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I don't know of any case in history of an African or indigenous society being able to impose it's institutions on a larger Asian on Anglo society. That to me, goes hand in hand with a group having a lower IQ level.

There were African leaders who took over India.


Do some research.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:32 PM
 
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Not every society values warfare as a test for "competence"

Since we will never know about African History prior to foreign invasion...since a large majority of the history has been destroyed...I don't think any of us can gauge how competently those countries in Africa were run.

This same argument could be used against Native Americas and other cultures that aren't based on colonialism and warfare.
I agee, just strictly, a high rate of "warfare" would seem to me to be an indicator of lower group IQ.

African tribes were in a constant state of war with other tribes.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:35 PM
 
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I don't know of any case in history of an African or indigenous society being able to impose it's institutions on a larger Asian on Anglo society. That to me, goes hand in hand with a group having a lower IQ level.
Obviously you haven't heard of the Ottoman empire. Ancient Egypt used to impose its will on a large part of the area as well.

World history is is full of other cultures than western Europeans and asians imposing their will on others.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:42 PM
 
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I agee, just strictly, a high rate of "warfare" would seem to me to be an indicator of lower group IQ.

African tribes were in a constant state of war with other tribes.

Of course they are at war NOW...they have artificial borders and no resources.

Have they ALWAYS been at war? Nobody knows.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:46 PM
 
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Ottoman empire. Ancient Egypt used to impose its will on a large part of the area as well.

World history is is full of other cultures than western Europeans and asians imposing their will on others.
And if imposing your will on others is the standard for IQ then Genghis Khan's IQ must of been off the charts.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Ottoman empire. Ancient Egypt used to impose its will on a large part of the area as well.

World history is is full of other cultures than western Europeans and asians imposing their will on others.
Those are weak examples. The Ottoman empire pretty much ended once hit what is now Western Europe. Same with ancient Egypt. They made gains against other similar ethnic societies in the area.

But even it it was the case, I'd be fine with.

Nations and societies rise and fall, for factors having nothing to do with IQ level. Nobody has argued that a nations IQ level puts them on a straight path to success.
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