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Old 07-07-2011, 02:17 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Yes, we need to significantly cut spending. But that doesn't mean that some portion of increased taxes should not be considered within the mix of actions to take.
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:22 PM
 
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GDP as % of this and that bla bla bla. Stop spending more money than you have coming in. Is there anybody left with any common sense anymore?
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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GDP as % of this and that bla bla bla. Stop spending more money than you have coming in. Is there anybody left with any common sense anymore?
That is exactly what I think of people laden with loans, credit cards and mortgage. The logic applies to them all, no?
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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See how the little red line dips below the blue one? Most of us would call that a revenue short fall. One other small point, spending is based upon forecasted revenue, it isn't like the Congress waits until the end of the fiscal years sees how much money it has in the kitty and then decides how to divvy it up. WHen you project a growth in spending and at the same time cut your revenue stream, GWTF happens.




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Old 07-07-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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GDP as % of this and that bla bla bla.
thanks; i was actually curious what goes on in some of y'all's brains during an economic discussion.
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:27 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Default For those who can read and grasp graphs...

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Chart 1 - Tax Revenues



Note Bush tax cuts increased revenue until the recession kicked in and unemployment increased and the left took over Congress. Tax revenues were at all time highs during the Bush years - both individual and corporate.

Chart 2 - Tax Revenues vs. Spending



Since the left took over Congress, spending and revenues have went in opposite directions.

We will almost have to double revenues to match the current spending levels. Tax increases will not do that.

Also - spending has NEVER decreased in almost 50 years. This is unsustainable.

This is not a revenue problem. Raising taxes will not solve over-spending problems.

Please note the steepest slope of the spending graph was the Bush years. The GOP weeps crocodile tears about spending. Most of the current debt is THEIR spending.
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:59 PM
 
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thanks; i was actually curious what goes on in some of y'all's brains during an economic discussion.
You call this an economic discussion? Its the usual Bush tax cuts increased revenue or not BS. Who cares how much revenue did and didn't come in. IF YOU SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN YOUR GONNA HAVE A DEFICIT.

Maybe you should drop your blinders and join reality Mr. Know it all nothing.
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Old 07-07-2011, 03:21 PM
 
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IF YOU SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN YOUR GONNA HAVE A DEFICIT.
Let me try this again, federal budgets are based upon projected revenue prior to the beginning of the fiscal year. In short the government starts spending before receiving a dime, soooo, when revenues don't meet projects its a bit late to do much about it unless Congress is to meet every four months and renegotiate the budget. So, when you cut taxes you damn sure better be right that such a tax cut is going to raise sufficient revenues. On that point Bush, et.,al., were dead wrong. That is why that discussion isn't going away.
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Old 07-07-2011, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Who cares how much revenue did and didn't come in.
Economists do. Planners do. Heck, households do (and should). I do.
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Old 07-07-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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Let me try this again, federal budgets are based upon projected revenue prior to the beginning of the fiscal year. In short the government starts spending before receiving a dime, soooo, when revenues don't meet projects its a bit late to do much about it unless Congress is to meet every four months and renegotiate the budget. So, when you cut taxes you damn sure better be right that such a tax cut is going to raise sufficient revenues. On that point Bush, et.,al., were dead wrong. That is why that discussion isn't going away.
Wow that makes you some economic genius? Right back to Bush bla bla bla. Maybe provide a budget so somebody knows how much they can spend to begin with?
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