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Holy Moly, South Sudan becomes the worlds newest nation in the blink of an eye; while Israel and the U.S., continue their road blocking, Camp David negotiations, peace conferences and dangling nationhood and independence on a string right in front of the eyes the Palestinians. Shameful.
Last edited by dorado0359; 07-09-2011 at 04:05 PM..
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There must be considerable incentive for the world powers to help a new nation to come into being, it isn't really there for Palestine, or at least that incentive isn't outweighed by Israel's desires.
while Israel and the U.S., continue their road blocking, Camp David negotiations, peace conferences and dangling nationhood and independence on a string right in front of the eyes the Palestinians.
There is no dangling. Palestinians have a similar problem with their own leadership in Gaza. A minority group of people (Hamas) has control over the majority of the people. The problem is that the majority of people have nowhere to move to inorder to get away from Hamas and Sharia law. Sudan is a large enough country that over 80% of the population moved into South Sudan because they couldnt overthrow the minority leadership (who like in Gaza controls all of the powerful weapons).
Hamas, as in Sudan, has decided to be power in Gaza for life and not allow elections in the area which would most likely vote them out of power.
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Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, has called for elections before September, prompting Hamas, the rival Palestinian group controlling Gaza, to reject the move.
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"Hamas will not take part in this election. We will not give it legitimacy. And we will not recognise the results,"
So this is not an Israeli/Palestinian issue, but a Hamas issue. Each and every time the Israelis came close to an agreement with Hamas, Hamas changed the requirements. Thus the Palestinian people are stuck.
I wonder if Egypt decided to allow Palestinians refugee status, how many would actually leave or would Hamas find a reason to close the border?
This hardly occurred in a blink of an eye. Sudan is/was an artificial country, a relic of the days of the British Empire, when it was known as the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan. The northern part was populated by Muslims who considered themselves Arabs. The southern part was populated by black Africans, mostly following traditional religions with a Christian minority. Historically and culturally, there has never been a relationship between the two. It was the British, who conquered the area in the late 19th century, who drew the map and put these different populations together in the same "country".
When the British granted independence in 1956, Sudan was almost immediately involved in ethnic/sectarian conflict between north and south. This later erupted into full scale civil war. The two sides have been fighting for decades, killing hundreds of thousands of people. A peace agreement has been in effect since 2005, leading the way to independence.
From 1948 until 1967, "Palestine" was ruled by Jordan and Egypt, both Arab Muslim countries. There was no movement or demands for independence then. If Israel were to simply hand the West Bank and Gaza back to Jordan and Egypt, do you seriously think those two countries will grant "Palestine" independence?
There is no dangling. Palestinians have a similar problem with their own leadership in Gaza. A minority group of people (Hamas) has control over the majority of the people. The problem is that the majority of people have nowhere to move to inorder to get away from Hamas and Sharia law. Sudan is a large enough country that over 80% of the population moved into South Sudan because they couldnt overthrow the minority leadership (who like in Gaza controls all of the powerful weapons).
So this is not an Israeli/Palestinian issue, but a Hamas issue. Each and every time the Israelis came close to an agreement with Hamas, Hamas changed the requirements. Thus the Palestinian people are stuck.
I wonder if Egypt decided to allow Palestinians refugee status, how many would actually leave or would Hamas find a reason to close the border?
Hamas has not been in power very long, relatively speaking. So the problem has not always been with them. The roadblock is Palestinian terrorism and beligerence in not accepting a separate Jewish entity. In the past that task was carried out by the PLO, now it happens to be continued by Hamas while the PA wants to negotiate.
If Palestinians in general would renounce terrorism and express interest in creating a peaceful state, watch how fast they get it. Until then Israel has no interest in allowing another hostile state on their border.
If Palestinians in general would renounce terrorism and express interest in creating a peaceful state, watch how fast they get it.
But Hamas will not allow that to happen. Palestinian election law calls for Presidential and Parliamentary elections to be held simultaneously every 4 years. We already see that they don't even follow their own laws.
Hamas specially and Abbas both refuse to recognize the right of Israel to exist. Until that happens there will be no state of palestine and no peace. South Sudan has no such problem with any other nation.
Holy Moly, South Sudan becomes the worlds newest nation in the blink of an eye; while Israel and the U.S., continue their road blocking, Camp David negotiations, peace conferences and dangling nationhood and independence on a string right in front of the eyes the Palestinians. Shameful.
Why would the Welfare Queens of the Earth give up their gravy train, and have to become a REAL nation and become self-sufficient?
Hamas wouldn't want to become a real government of a real nation - it would actually be responsible for the well-being of the general public under its care, and not just fire rockets and suicide bomb jews. Building sewer treatment plants and running government agencies is a lot less exciting that bombing people. Plus, as a real government it would liable under the Geneva Conventions and prosecutable under the ICJ for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity for its terrorism - can't have that now, can we?
And why would Fatah give up the billions in annual aid from the World who is happy to give to "refugees" - a misnomer if there ever was one - but far less likely to do so to a sovereign nation? UNRWA would have to shut down, and that patronage machine of waste would have to close, as would the massive volume of non-financial aid from the UN.
The pals would actually have to run a real nation - and why would they want to do that when, like the public union employees of the US, have to work hard and build something when you can get someone else to pay for it and do it for you?
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