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Old 07-26-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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It is far better to think of these as isolated, unpredictable, discrete events. It is not advisable to try to connect them in your mind with, say, the fires burning across Texas — fires that have burned more of America at this point this year than any wildfires have in previous years. Texas, and adjoining parts of Oklahoma and New Mexico, are drier than they’ve ever been — the drought is worse than that of the Dust Bowl. But do not wonder if they’re somehow connected...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...49G_story.html
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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Of course they are not. Global warming reduces wind shear, which reduces the strength and the amount of tornadoes, if the brainwashed liberals would actually see through that. And the drought i the South is being caused by La Niña, which is not unusual because in years with a strong La Niña that's what usually happens
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Your article is confusing weather with climate. Sorry.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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Of course they are not. Global warming reduces wind shear, which reduces the strength and the amount of tornadoes, if the brainwashed liberals would actually see through that. And the drought i the South is being caused by La Niña, which is not unusual because in years with a strong La Niña that's what usually happens
(1) Please don't confuse large-scale changes in vertical wind shear with micro-scale processes like tornadoes. Even in an environment that has a large-scale 'cap' (i.e., warmer air aloft, stopping convection), in some local spots, the cap can 'break' and a solo thunderstorm can pop up and drench a locality.

(2) This is true, coupled with the fact that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) is also trending negative.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Changing goal posts. It's what the church of climatology does best.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Here
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Let's face it, the Republicans and their evil corporate masters are responsible for the changing weather patterns.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I guess the politics of Global warming/cooling/change is more important than the science and hypothesis itself. The science seems to be gone as well as the reasoning and open-mindedness that goes with the science.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:17 PM
 
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It is far better to think of these as isolated, unpredictable, discrete events. It is not advisable to try to connect them in your mind with, say, the fires burning across Texas — fires that have burned more of America at this point this year than any wildfires have in previous years. Texas, and adjoining parts of Oklahoma and New Mexico, are drier than they’ve ever been — the drought is worse than that of the Dust Bowl. But do not wonder if they’re somehow connected...
A link between climate change and Joplin tornadoes? Never! - The Washington Post

I am confused now.

Are we now accepting opinion articles as evidence?

I mean, from your link:

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Bill McKibben is founder of the global climate campaign 350.org and a distinguished scholar at Middlebury College in Vermont.
Now, I am willing to disregard the whole motive argument and dismissal of bias in order to focus on the science and data the one making the argument uses, but your opinion piece does not provide any relevant scientific data to establish its position. It uses anecdotal remedy to connect the occurrences and then opines the cause and relation. That is, there is no support at all, nothing to validate the position they make.

So, if I can not view the data and the methods they use to establish their position, I am left simply with their reputation as such (which I will not accept regardless as we are talking science, not speculative opinions), yet I must say that if I am to accept ones reputation alone as support for their opinion, Mr. McKibben would likely be the last that I accept.

That is, he is the founder of a political organization and activist group specifically on promoting the position of AGW.

So with all honesty and due respect, how can you even remotely expect us to take your response seriously?

sickofnyc,

If you would like us to discuss this, then maybe you could provide some research that is connecting such occurrences to such? Something that is tangible, that we can evaluate afor validity in its position. Do you have anything as such or is simply opinion pieces all we are to expect from you concerning this claim?
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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It is far better to think of these as isolated, unpredictable, discrete events. It is not advisable to try to connect them in your mind with, say, the fires burning across Texas — fires that have burned more of America at this point this year than any wildfires have in previous years. Texas, and adjoining parts of Oklahoma and New Mexico, are drier than they’ve ever been — the drought is worse than that of the Dust Bowl. But do not wonder if they’re somehow connected...
A link between climate change and Joplin tornadoes? Never! - The Washington Post
OMG what an effing moron.

There have been prairie fires for millions of years, there have been tornadoes for millions of years, there have been floods for millions of years, there have been hurricanes for millions of years.... It's called "Nature".

The only reason that they did not impact HUMANITY a million or so years ago, was because there was little or no humanity to impact.

I suppose the GIANT STORM on the planet Saturn is also caused by Earth's global warming.

Honestly, these people need a slap.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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It is far better to think of these as isolated, unpredictable, discrete events. It is not advisable to try to connect them in your mind with, say, the fires burning across Texas — fires that have burned more of America at this point this year than any wildfires have in previous years. Texas, and adjoining parts of Oklahoma and New Mexico, are drier than they’ve ever been — the drought is worse than that of the Dust Bowl. But do not wonder if they’re somehow connected...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...49G_story.html
If you do think there is a connection what do you think about the Dust Bowl? Was that part of the changing climate as well? I think you must be a student of Al Gore's...maybe one of the few in his class this year.

Nita
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