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Communisim is alive and well but with a new name change to Progressive. Same old schtick, redistribute the weath shell game.
Actually, no.
1. Every government "redistributes wealth" to one extent or another. No government could exist without distributing wealth to itself. (When I speak of government I include everything that falls under government; not only elected and appointed officials but all the employees of the police, military, infrastructure, etc.)
2. The defining attribute of a socialist system is the formal seizure of the "commanding heights" of the economy: banks, transportation, heavy industry, and their management "on behalf of the people." This is not the case in the United States, and there are very few "progressives" who advocate those measures.
Oh man, I just spent some time on the American Nazi Party web site. Now I'm afraid that they are going to take over America and enact a Holocaust.
Did you watch the video? If so I am ready to discuss the aims the Communist Party put forth in 1958 as to how many of them have been installed up to now. When will some of you left leaners be willing to discuss something that was in a link to prove that it is all wrong.
How do we know who is a member of the Communist Party and who is just a willing tool of them? It is hard to tell but you seem just a bit too willing to call this all crap and won't discuss any of it. I don't think you watched it but you are willing to attack the messenger without attacking the message.
I did, Roy, and I'm baffled that this nonsense is still getting play in 2011. When the representative went to a CPUSA meeting in 1992 and there were all old people, that should have clued him in to just how irrelevant communism had become. Only people in their 50s and 60s -- who would have gotten involved with the party back in the 1950s -- still cared. These people are now in their 70s and 80s or are dead.
No one cares, Roy. The communist boogeyman was always overstated, but at this point, being worried about it is like worrying about the anti-Christ. It's just paranoid craziness.
Did you watch the video? If so I am ready to discuss the aims the Communist Party put forth in 1958 as to how many of them have been installed up to now. When will some of you left leaners be willing to discuss something that was in a link to prove that it is all wrong.
Let's play a mental-fitness game.
Let's say the American No-name Party had ten aims in 1958.
1. Nationalize banks, transportation and heavy industry
2. Give milk to babies
3. Win the 1960 Olympics
4. Lock dissidents in slave labor camps
5. Pet bunnies
6. Encourage co-workers to eat healthy
7. Establish censorship of the press
8. Clean up trash from the side of the roads
9. Abolish religious freedom
10. Change the national anthem to "Hound Dog."
Your argument would amount to saying: there is a lot of trash-cleanup, bunny-petting and baby milk-feeding in the midst of our society. We are therefore 1/3 of the way to censorship and slave labor camps.
China retains a communist ideology but has a basically capitalist economy. The BBC news just had a piece last night about the flourishing of private trade between China and Russia. Venezuela is radical nationalist, not Communist. Cuba still is, but it's probably healthy to have one Communist nation in the hemisphere to siphon off malcontents from the remainder.
You say that Communists control China and then try to prove that they aren't still Communist controlled. You talk about Venezuela but forget who his buddies are. Go ahead and say that the US is socialistic because of some of the welfare programs and then say that we aren't as far along as Europe or Canada. Most of the people who are in control in Russia are part of the ruling class in the old Soviet Union days.
I did, Roy, and I'm baffled that this nonsense is still getting play in 2011. When the representative went to a CPUSA meeting in 1992 and there were all old people, that should have clued him in to just how irrelevant communism had become. Only people in their 50s and 60s -- who would have gotten involved with the party back in the 1950s -- still cared. These people are now in their 70s and 80s or are dead.
No one cares, Roy. The communist boogeyman was always overstated, but at this point, being worried about it is like worrying about the anti-Christ. It's just paranoid craziness.
I went to CPUSA after posting this link to study up on just what is going on there now. I can assure you that they have come a long way since about 4 years ago when I read there quite often. I can tell you that they aren't either dead or part of the old people. In fact, right there on their site they claim that they have many students in their membership.
I found that is very easy to become a member of the Party. You have to fill out a form online and then wait for a member to come to interview you about your membership. It costs only $5 dues per month to belong. The thing that amazed me is the sources of support they have received recently from the media. There is a very interesting thing there from NPR about the part of the Party in the movement to help black people in the South.
They surely aren't dead at all and unless you are one of them your attempts to call them dead are only a form of willing idiot behavior like they talked about back in the day.
Let's say the American No-name Party had ten aims in 1958.
1. Nationalize banks, transportation and heavy industry
2. Give milk to babies
3. Win the 1960 Olympics
4. Lock dissidents in slave labor camps
5. Pet bunnies
6. Encourage co-workers to eat healthy
7. Establish censorship of the press
8. Clean up trash from the side of the roads
9. Abolish religious freedom
10. Change the national anthem to "Hound Dog."
Your argument would amount to saying: there is a lot of trash-cleanup, bunny-petting and baby milk-feeding in the midst of our society. We are therefore 1/3 of the way to censorship and slave labor camps.
I will have to put you in with Fiyero on this thread since you want to talk about idiocy but won't discuss anything in the link. When you read the link and want to discuss some of it I can accept it. I don't want to help you change the topic of the thread.
I will have to put you in with Fiyero on this thread since you want to talk about idiocy but won't discuss anything in the link. When you read the link and want to discuss some of it I can accept it. I don't want to help you change the topic of the thread.
I am trying to demonstrate why even if everything in the link is true, the only proper response is: And?
I am trying to demonstrate why even if everything in the link is true, the only proper response is: And?
So you want to say and? to these things that appeared in the video.
ELIMINATE PRAYER IN THE SCHOOLS ON THE GROUNDS THAT IT VIOLATES THE PRINCIPLE OF SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce
Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism... soften the curriculum. Get control of teacher associations.
Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech.
Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography in books, magazines, motion pictures and TV
Present homo-sexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy.
Infiltrate the press, gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.
Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religions and discredit the Bible.
You say that if everything there is true what does it mean? I say that when you can point out one of those things that isn't nearly achieved your question tells me that you are much nearer what I was reading at CPUSA than I want you to be. All of those things have been achieved close to completely and that has destroyed the culture of the US.
You know that I was alive when this all started and have watched it take place so lets get after the argument. I saw all the changes that are isted there like the language that is used on TV. I spend a lot more time watching old reruns from the 60s through the 80s on TV than I do the things I can see that are made today. For instance I have a movie on that is sickening although I am only listening to the filthy talk.
Yep the changes have taken place nearly completely, and our culture is pretty nearly dead.
So you want to say and? to these things that appeared in the video.
ELIMINATE PRAYER IN THE SCHOOLS ON THE GROUNDS THAT IT VIOLATES THE PRINCIPLE OF SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
Of course we should not have prayer in government schools, and that was accomplished in 1962-63. Not one of the Supreme Court Justices who so ruled was a Communist.
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discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce
I don't agree with this as a principle, but most of the people who would are hedonists, not Communists or anything else especially political.
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Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism... soften the curriculum. Get control of teacher associations.
The curriculum and academic standards have gone to pieces, I'll concede that, but as a result of good old-fashioned lazy teachers, not a Communist plot. I see no evidence that schools or teacher associations are governed by "socialists"--except maybe in New York City--and I've known a number of teachers very personally.
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Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech.
Good. Freedom of speech trumps your interest in not being offended.
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Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography in books, magazines, motion pictures and TV
A cultural standard of morality is not a good one simply because it exists. I dislike vulgarity in the original sense of the word--meaning lack of taste or refinement. A tv show can be vulgar whether it's talking about sex or the weather. But any eager Communist who thinks they can break down morality by using more sexual titillation is on a fool's errand, because people get desensitized rapidly and what was once exciting is now ...blah.
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Present homo-sexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy.
Most people enjoy having an active sex life, whether heterosexual or homosexual. It's obviously normal and natural, and as long as it's safe, it's healthy as well. "Degeneracy"? Gee, editorialize much?
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Infiltrate the press, gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures.
If they've done so, it clearly hasn't resulted in the land o' left paradise they were shooting for.
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Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religions and discredit the Bible.
Discrediting "revealed religion" is altogether unnecessary work. It's already a laughing stock. Even a lot of regular churchgoers are embarrassed at the thought of defending it. (Many regular churchgoers don't really know what it is they claim to believe, and are afraid to find out!)
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You say that if everything there is true what does it mean? I say that when you can point out one of those things that isn't nearly achieved your question tells me that you are much nearer what I was reading at CPUSA than I want you to be. All of those things have been achieved close to completely and that has destroyed the culture of the US.
A culture isn't static and binary, whereby you can say "now we have culture X. Now we don't." Culture is constanly being modified by influences from the outside and maturation on the inside. The terrific thing about America is that there are also subcultures that, as long as they don't get too crazy, are tolerated. If you don't like the dominant culture, you can immerse yourself in religion or the arts or your career, or what have you. That old "pursuit of happiness" thing someone wrote about.
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For instance I have a movie on that is sickening although I am only listening to the filthy talk.
Yep the changes have taken place nearly completely, and our culture is pretty nearly dead.
CHANGE THE CHANNEL.
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