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Old 08-27-2011, 10:20 AM
 
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Anyone want to contribute to her "1 way to Africa" fund?

After all, lots of land for free over there for her. She just has to fight off the warlords.
The problem is they would rather sit in the U.S disproportionally committing crime, complaining about slavery and ranting about how bad they have it while not realizing moving to any country in which they comprise a majority is an absolute pos.

Honestly, what are you inventions from Africa? If any they seem so few and far between compared to the Europeans.
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Old 08-27-2011, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Water is a necessity of life and is provided in the needed form without any interference needed by man. No one needs electricity to survive and it requires interference by man to make it useful.
Nope, you can make yourself a bucket, walk to the river, scoop it out, and walk home with it.

If however you want interference, and want it piped into your home, to run your toilet, shower, sink, dishwasher and whatever else you have, you are going to pay.

Nope you don't need electricity. Turn off your computer, and your internet, they require electricity. Your phone too.

You seem to be using a lot of that electricity, that someone made useful.
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Old 08-27-2011, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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There are many ignorant people in the world. Why pick on this one fool?... there are so many to choose from.


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At least he knows there isn't 57 states. Thank you for playing.
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Old 08-27-2011, 11:25 AM
 
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Nope, you can make yourself a bucket, walk to the river, scoop it out, and walk home with it.

If however you want interference, and want it piped into your home, to run your toilet, shower, sink, dishwasher and whatever else you have, you are going to pay.

Nope you don't need electricity. Turn off your computer, and your internet, they require electricity. Your phone too.

You seem to be using a lot of that electricity, that someone made useful.
Not all areas have rivers.

I think we are referring to potable water.
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:26 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Nope, you can make yourself a bucket, walk to the river, scoop it out, and walk home with it.

If however you want interference, and want it piped into your home, to run your toilet, shower, sink, dishwasher and whatever else you have, you are going to pay.
Taxes have already paid for the water infrastructure in cities. There's no reason it should cost any money to use the water anymore than a person is charged by the mile to walk down a road.

And, it only takes a little creativity to create one's own water system.

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Nope you don't need electricity. Turn off your computer, and your internet, they require electricity. Your phone too.

You seem to be using a lot of that electricity, that someone made useful.
You missed the point. The comparison between water and electricity is apples and oranges.
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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I can't seem to find one set of numbers, but the highest I've found is 700 billion in TARP monies (correct me if I'm wrong here). Take that and divide by 300 million would give each person $2,333.00. 2K isn't going to solve money problems for the vast majority of people.
Adding Up the Government?s Total Bailout Tab - Interactive Graphic - NYTimes.com

It's in the trillions at this point. Going by the 12 trillion figure, divided by about 312 million (population), it would come to: 38,461.54 per person. More than a large portion of the population makes in a year. Think of the economic stimulus nearly 40,000 a person would have done, rather than handing it to the banksters who created the mess in the first place.
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Money is quite a convenience, if you think about it. Instead of directly bartering labor for food, one can work for another person/company, receive money in return and use that to gather food. Suppose that live in Africa on free land and you need a widget from your neighbor but your expertise is gathering food and your neighbor needs no food, what would you use to compensate your neighbor for the widget? Money, simplistically, is a representation of one's labor, whereas you receive "credit" for the labor you provide someone else. Whether you would choose paper money or not, you would indeed need to choose some way to compensate others for their products/services.
Money's not a convenience. The average American works more now than a peasant of the Middle Ages did. Total reliance on money has enslaved the majority of the population.
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:39 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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That would depend on where you live. Try getting water in the western states.
There are ways. The Native Americans pulled it off without modern technology for thousands of years. Not all of the West is a desert either.
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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Adding Up the Government?s Total Bailout Tab - Interactive Graphic - NYTimes.com

It's in the trillions at this point. Going by the 12 trillion figure, divided by about 312 million (population), it would come to: 38,461.54 per person. More than a large portion of the population makes in a year. Think of the economic stimulus nearly 40,000 a person would have done, rather than handing it to the banksters who created the mess in the first place.
Besides the fact that this argument of yours is ridiculous, since the entire nation's debt is that figure, even 38k given to each person is not going to get folk out of financial trouble. Why? At the heart of financial trouble is stupidity and stupidity isn't going any where as evidenced by this thread. To start, the millions who are unemployed, and those who simply do not want to work, would survive for a year on 38k. Instead of unemployment, home bailouts, 401k fed back insurance, medicaid and medicare, welfare, etc, lets just give everybody 38k. You know, in the long term that would be a far better deal. Of course, a year would go by and people would need another 38k.

But, lets look at what your link says. Where is the vast majority of expenses going? As an insurer, it's minimal. Lending, and things involved in lending, are the culprit. And what exactly catapulted us into this mess in the first place that would lead the gov to lending? Subprime lending. Who took out those loans? Folk in the earning bracket of 38k and less. Folk who barely contribute to the fed tax base. The lot of these people have already been given more than deserved. You (general you from now on) have all clearly shown that you cannot handle money any better than the feds or the unscrupulous banking industry. It's the American population. That's just the reality of it.

At the heart of this whole thing is welfare. Either welfare via home loans for people who have no business thinking about owning a home or corporate welfare to the deviants who gave you these loans in the first place. You guys are two sides of the same coin and you want the tax payer, those of us who actually pay significant fed income taxes, to bail you out as usual. I would prefer to keep my tax dollars. I don't want to give it to the banks and I don't want to give it to you. You're both irresponsible.
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:31 PM
 
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Money's not a convenience. The average American works more now than a peasant of the Middle Ages did. Total reliance on money has enslaved the majority of the population.
The peasant in the middle ages no doubt worked far harder than any of us and they did not have to pay for the internet, their cell phones, their cable TV, their computers, etc. I would bet good money that there is not one item in a majority of households that were made by the people using them. Do you (general you) weave your own cloth and sew your own clothes? Do you filter your own water? Do you keep your own latrine? Do you grow your own food? Do you do anything that is not entirely dependent on others actually doing it for you? Can you, for one second, consider the amount of work it would take for you to manifest a quarter of the stuff that comprises your life? So much is taken for granted. Even with homesteaders.
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