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Old 09-15-2011, 08:22 AM
 
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The federal budget consists of twelve appropriation bills. If they have not passed all twelve, then they have not passed a budget. At the very least the GOP controlled House should have passed all twelve appropriation bills. If the Senate fails to pass them, then it is the Democrat controlled Senate that can be blamed, but if the House does not pass all twelve appropriation bills, then only the House is to blame.
Yes, I agree, the GOP should pass those....but what about the other 650+ days of NOT passing a budget that was DEM controlled (house and senate)?
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:29 AM
 
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Yes, I agree, the GOP should pass those....but what about the other 650+ days of NOT passing a budget that was DEM controlled (house and senate)?
Actually, it was 1,461 days. Since Nancy Pelosi first became Speaker of the House in January 2007 there has not been a single budget passed by the House.

They used Continuing Resolutions, Supplemental, and Omnibus bills to fund the federal government. If the GOP controlled House is not able to pass the other six appropriation bills in the next two weeks, they will also have to pull the same gimmick as the Democrats, and we will not have a budget for a fifth year in a row.
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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yet just yesterday Democratic senators again accused republicans of wasting house time on bills that are dead when they reach the senate. Reid is always say this or that bill is dead when it has never passed the house.I wander who is really the obstructionist here.
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Old 09-15-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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yet just yesterday Democratic senators again accused republicans of wasting house time on bills that are dead when they reach the senate. Reid is always say this or that bill is dead when it has never passed the house.I wander who is really the obstructionist here.
Without a doubt Sen. Majority leader Reid. It would appear he has been unwilling to work with both fmr. Speaker Pelosi and Speaker Boehner in passing a budget. Quite a pox on the Democrat controlled Senate, IMO, not the House.
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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The federal budget consists of twelve appropriation bills. If they have not passed all twelve, then they have not passed a budget. At the very least the GOP controlled House should have passed all twelve appropriation bills. If the Senate fails to pass them, then it is the Democrat controlled Senate that can be blamed, but if the House does not pass all twelve appropriation bills, then only the House is to blame.

"Federal Appropriations Process
Once the budget resolution has been passed by both the House and Senate and 302(a) spending allocations have been established for each committee, the Appropriations Committees in the House and Senate further divide their spending allocations among subcommittees. Currently, there are 12 Appropriations Subcommittees each in the House and Senate. These suballocations, called 302(b) allocations, limit the total spending on each of the 12 appropriations bills and are enforced through points of order established in budget laws and the budget resolution.
For fiscal year 2012, only the House of Representatives has passed a budget resolution to date. The House-passed budget resolution set a 302(a) level of $1.019 trillion,

The Senate has opted not to pass a 2012 budget resolution; instead, it is operating under the 302(a) level of $1.043 trillion that was established in the Budget Control Act of 2011 (the debt ceiling agreement)."
Background & Analysis | Federal Education Budget Project

The way I read it the resolution and 302(a), comes first. The House passed theirs. IF the Senate does not pass a resolution and 302)a), and has no plans to do so, then there is no use in the House proceeding to step 2.
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:44 PM
 
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"Federal Appropriations Process
Once the budget resolution has been passed by both the House and Senate and 302(a) spending allocations have been established for each committee, the Appropriations Committees in the House and Senate further divide their spending allocations among subcommittees. Currently, there are 12 Appropriations Subcommittees each in the House and Senate. These suballocations, called 302(b) allocations, limit the total spending on each of the 12 appropriations bills and are enforced through points of order established in budget laws and the budget resolution.
For fiscal year 2012, only the House of Representatives has passed a budget resolution to date. The House-passed budget resolution set a 302(a) level of $1.019 trillion,

The Senate has opted not to pass a 2012 budget resolution; instead, it is operating under the 302(a) level of $1.043 trillion that was established in the Budget Control Act of 2011 (the debt ceiling agreement)."
Background & Analysis | Federal Education Budget Project

The way I read it the resolution and 302(a), comes first. The House passed theirs. IF the Senate does not pass a resolution and 302)a), and has no plans to do so, then there is no use in the House proceeding to step 2.
The appropriation bills have to pass Congress first, as you point out in the very first sentence. Thus far, only one of the twelve appropriation bills has passed both houses of Congress. The House is still sitting on six appropriation bills that have not even come up for a vote yet, and the Senate has not yet voted on the other five appropriation bills that the House has already passed.
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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Without a doubt Sen. Majority leader Reid. It would appear he has been unwilling to work with both fmr. Speaker Pelosi and Speaker Boehner in passing a budget. Quite a pox on the Democrat controlled Senate, IMO, not the House.
Actually, the House has to pass the appropriation bills first. Then they are sent to the Senate to be amended and get the Senate's vote. Senator Reid can hardly be blamed for holding up the process when the House has not even passed six of the twelve appropriation bills.

I have no idea why you think Pelosi is part of the process. The GOP control the House, not the Democrats. Pelosi is a has-been. She is just another vote in the House without any authority over any of the twelve appropriation bills.
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:59 PM
 
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Actually, the House has to pass the appropriation bills first. Then they are sent to the Senate to be amended and get the Senate's vote. Senator Reid can hardly be blamed for holding up the process when the House has not even passed six of the twelve appropriation bills.

I have no idea why you think Pelosi is part of the process. The GOP control the House, not the Democrats. Pelosi is a has-been. She is just another vote in the House without any authority over any of the twelve appropriation bills.
Pelosi was Speaker before Boehner and together she and Reid had not passed a budget either. The one constant in the equation is Reid.
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Old 09-15-2011, 03:05 PM
 
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Pelosi was Speaker before Boehner and together she and Reid had not passed a budget either. The one constant in the equation is Reid.
When Pelosi was Speaker she never even attempted to pass a budget, and Speaker Boehner apparently could not be bothered to pass a budget either. If the House does not pass the budget first, there is nothing the Senate can do.

Article I, Section 7, Clause 1 of the US Constitution states that all appropriation bills must originate with the House. Once passed by the House THEN then Senate can amend and pass the budget. If the House fails to pass all twelve appropriation bills, then only the House can be blamed for failing to adhere to their constitutional responsibility, not the Senate.
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Old 09-15-2011, 06:13 PM
 
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I wish the Republicans would grow a pair and just do a government shutdown. Come on, you bunch of pansies.
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