What is a Marxist? (Ron Paul, radical, military, politician)
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Are they mutually exclusive? That was the point I wanted to get to, but you refuse to, going back to the same old rhetoric. It ain't my fault that you want to avoid answering the question but do a run around.
Haha. Come on man, really? I answered the question. They are linked, but that simple fact, which I have not disputed, has absolutely no bearing on the argument about whether wealth is infinite or not. It's one thing to throw out random and irrelevant facts that do nothing to invalidate my argument, but then on top of that you try to beat me by accusing me of avoiding them? Hilarious.
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It has to do with the very first point I made on the subject that you're trying to stretch into something else.
No EG, you have stretched the point. I'm reposting your original posts in this little mini discussion, in which you implied that wealth was not infinite simply because it required resources, which makes zero sense, unless you have that maximum multiplier calculated.
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Wealth redistribution is fundamental to any system. That is like regenerative energy... you don't actually create energy, you transform it from one form to another.
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So you believe in existence of infinite wealth, don't you? Wealth requires resources. Who owns the resources?
Send over the formula Einstein and then maybe we can discuss it. Otherwise you have no argument, you're just throwing **** at the wall.
I remember from an into college class (simplified, obviously) that Marxism was basically an economic theory that predicted economies would evolve (or devolve) in a set pattern: Primitive Communism -- Slave society -- Feudalism -- Capitalism -- Socialism -- Communism.
I remember thinking at the time (early 1980s) that our government was so obsessed with fighting the Cold War and stopping the evil Russian communism, that America certainly wouldn't be following that pattern and going Socialist. It would be a complete 180 degree turn to what EVERYONE strongly believed.
And here we are today. Too bad capitalism had to be so grossly used for the benefit of only the ultra-rich, since it is the only system that COULD allow the citizen some freedom and prosperity. We won't have that under Socialism: look at life in England and see your future.
Government will always be owned by the ultra-rich, and somehow we have degraded to the point where those in power think ONLY of their own infinite wealth. They would rather destroy the nation and have a trillion in their bank accounts, than have a healthy nation and only $999 billion.
As a nation we must stop producing and rewarding sociopaths and narcissists with power. We MUST stop worshipping arrogance and sadism. We think these types are "powerful," but they're not--they are just sick and evil. I seems like we need to start manipulating genes first (to get rid of sociopathy and pathological narcissism), and developing an education system, and then an economy, that allows MERIT to be recognized and rewarded.
Time to stop worshipping the big ape who pounds his chest hardest. We have created our own hell, and the absolute and total failure of our nation in such a short time is proof positive. We're doing it all wrong.
Redistribution is redistribution regardless of who or what triggers it. Thomas Paine, for example, blamed "civilization" for it:
“Civilization, therefore, or that which is so-called, has operated two ways: to make one part of society more affluent, and the other more wretched, than would have been the lot of either in a natural state.”
- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
Natural is natural. The government redistributes wealth to buy votes. The current administration is a good example.
Well if your are confused, perhaps read some Marx yourself. OK, do a Wiki or get some Cliff Notes.
Then take a look at all the Bolsheviks, scuse me, posters who constantly blather on about Wealth Redistribution (Asset Confiscation), Equality (Social Engineering), Harmful Language/Sensitivity/Hate Speech (State-Sanctioned Speech Control), and the ever-present Smear Jobs (calling Obama's critics 'Racist harks back to Soviet leaders calling their critics 'Decadent" or "Enemies of the State').
An objective person will easily see the connection.
Well, since a facet of marxism is a stateless society, I have to wonder why the state features so prominently in your definition of it.
Someone who thinks strictly in terms of class warfare. Someone who resents the successes of others. Someone who thinks government can order an aeconomy and a society better than people free to make their own decisions. Someone who thinks the buyer and/or seller of a good or service is the least qualified to set a price for it and that the government is. Someone who gives pre-eminience to equality of outcome to equlaity of opportunity.
A Marxist, seeing a man with two cars and a big house says "No man should have so much."
A Capitalist, seeing the same man says 'Every man should have so much.'
Actually, A marxist society by definition is one of overabundance, so...
'All men are created equal" means that all men are equal before the law. That does not mean that they are equal in ability, drive, skill, character....
Marx would have said that the violence of the French Revolution was inevitable. He would likely have been unable to explain why the revolutionaries replaced one unspeakable terror with another even more unspeakable terror.
Adding to your point, that all men are created equal leaves open the state they shall be in at life's end.
Natural is natural. The government redistributes wealth to buy votes. The current administration is a good example.
There can be no economy without redistribution. Argue against that, if you can and show me how it works.
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