No liberty and No Justice

[legalsea]

Originally Posted by LibertyandJusticeforAll

At this point the political parties are controlled by corporations.
These corporations lobby for our tax money, lobby against each other and the government with NO AUTHORITY as per the constitution ignores the liberty of indivduals and free markets.
When the justice system sits with their mouths closed and their hands tied as to why bailout money to banks, stimilus to devalue the dollar and congress and president who ignore the LAW.

We have no freedom while I watch the 2012 election process and primaries I am further reminded that speaking the truth and corporation and goverment interests will always win.

They will only be happy until they have sucked every american worker dry, shipped a job overseas and bankrupted the nation.


But this has been going on for years and with government we have only one choice as tax payers we must let government and corporations and banks fail. Let them go bankrupt with no money they can't promise and bailout corporations and continue the back room deals its time they are exposed and we know the media wont do its job so lets just stop funding them.

Whenever I see a thread like this (and I do thank you for posting your thoughts, without resort to links to other people's thoughts) I wonder: "When were the good ol' day?"

I would be interested to hear your thoughts. To what happy time does you inner mind drift back to in moments of reflection? Perhaps some time prior to 1920, when women could not vote? Or even earlier, when black people were chattel? The time of the Robber Barons?

When did The People have these freedoms which are now lost?

[Nomander]

Originally Posted by jmking

Some of what you say is true but not all. Make no mistake very smart people have learned to game the system. We've been gamed too.

We allowed it to happen. We didn't respect individual liberty above all. We let good intentions drive our infringements on liberties. Be it the person who promotes smoking bans, to the person who demands the rich pay more, to anyone who disregards the respect for individual liberty for the sake of their own opinion. When we started allowing such, we approved of the rest. We as a nation became drunk with the power of using government to achieve our self interest and by doing so, we opened the doors for corruption and disregard for all liberties.

We were gamed, sure... but then we shouldn't have been playing the game in the first place.

[Boxcar Overkill]

The President - every president, turns out to be just like the one before. There's a dull aching certainty that the next president will be just like the last.

When the people revolt the mainstream parties either demonize/marginalize them or co-op them and try to redirect them. This is just as true of the Tea Party as it is for the Wall Street protesters.

Everybody is fed up with the Wall Street - Penn. Avenue corruption. But as soon as anyone tries to do something about it the powers that be step in and make them out to be immoral morons, or try to change the message to one that is more suitable to established political parties.

I hardly recognize my country anymore.

[GregW]

Nomander's last sentence exactly describes our financial overlords.

"We as a nation became drunk with the power of using government to achieve our self interest and by doing so, we opened the doors for corruption and disregard for all liberties." Nomander

[Nomander]

Originally Posted by GregW

Nomander's last sentence exactly describes our financial overlords.

"We as a nation became drunk with the power of using government to achieve our self interest and by doing so, we opened the doors for corruption and disregard for all liberties." Nomander

It describes everyone. From the corporate interest trying to lobby for regulations to cut out competition and set up a legislative puppet to the individual demanding that others with more be taxed differently or that things they dislike be banned or restricted to their interests.

It is the atheist who demands the absence of any encounter with religion and the religious person who demands subservience to their belief. It is the mother who demands a business function as they see fit and that of the idealist who insists mandatory philanthropy and justifies through their self interested belief. It is one who selectively promotes taxes, because they disapprove of product or behavior and the one who insists responsibility is not theirs, but the burden of society.

It is the fault of those who let it happen, who rather than fight to defend the liberty of those they disagreed with, saw to the infringement through their inaction.

You, me, everyone here is at fault. We stopped defending liberty and we encouraged our own interests. WE caused this, WE are responsible, every single one of us are fully accountable. We placed our own chains upon us because just as those corporate interests drove power for their own interests, so did we drive the power through our own interests as well.