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I wonder who the left will try and blame for this? Bush? Evil bankers? Tea party? Or will you be racist if your not for shutting down coal and raising the rates of folks who can't afford it in this "green" push to insanity? I guess when folks start dying this winter because they can't afford their heat it will be the evil corporations fault. Protest!!!
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"For instance, close to three million customers in parts of Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, and West Virginia that get their electricity from American Electric Power have seen their rates increase between 48 and 88 percent over the last few years. Those rates are expected to rise an additional 10 to 35 percent in the next three years. The reason? AEP officials are quick to blame environmental regulations that they say are going to cost the company $8 billion in compliance and upgrades."
AEP, which operates in 11 states, says it is raising rates because it needs the cash to upgrade its infrastructure. The company plans to retire five coal plants—which amount to 6,000 megawatts of generation— and build at least two natural gas plants by the end of this decade."
Obama promised us he would raise our electricity rates, I think "skyrocket" were his exact words. His energy secretary hates coal, so does his Interior Secretary, and his entire EPA.... we are so frick'n screwed.
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Already weary of high gas prices and 9.1 percent unemployment, many Americans are about to get another kick in the wallet thanks to large increases in their electricity bills.
From Alaska to Georgia and Wyoming to Florida, utilities are seeking permission to pass on hundreds of millions of dollars in new charges to customers to help upgrade aging infrastructure and build new or retrofitted power plants that comply with tougher environmental regulations, a Daily Beast review of regulatory filings has found.
Some energy companies are already closing coal power plants, Georgia Power comes to mind, because it will impossible to keep up with these new regulations coming out of the Obama administration.
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On March 16, Sierra Club applauded the announcement of Georgia Power to shutter two of its coal-fired power plants in middle Georgia. In the announcement, the company stated that the cost of retrofitting the coal plants to meet current and pending environmental regulations was too high to justify their continued use. The two units at Plant Branch in Putnam County have a capacity of 569 megawatts. Georgia Power hopes to retire the units when new pollution control requirements take effect in 2013.
“It’s been a long time coming,” said Colleen Kiernan, Sierra Club Georgia Chapter director. “The Sierra Club has been actively pressuring Georgia Power to ‘clean ‘em up or shut ‘em down’ for over 10 years, and we applaud every step taken to make way for a clean energy future.”
Isn't this a great energy policy Obama has come up with, force power plants to close when we have no viable alternative energy, except the hated nuclear power, to replace them.
Obama promised us he would raise our electricity rates, I think "skyrocket" were his exact words. His energy secretary hates coal, so does his Interior Secretary, and his entire EPA.... we are so frick'n screwed.
Some energy companies are already closing coal power plants, Georgia Power comes to mind, because it will impossible to keep up with these new regulations coming out of the Obama administration.
Isn't this a great energy policy Obama has come up with, force power plants to close when we have no viable alternative energy, except the hated nuclear power, to replace them.
I'm putting my whailing harpoon on layaway. When these clowns get done that is what we'll be forced to do to get lamp fuel. Anybody who declares co2 a pollutant like the fool Lisa Jackson and her global enviro loon crowd did at the EPA is too far gone to have any sense of reality. Maybe a few whales slaughtered for lamp oil will wake these idiots up?
Let's take them one at a time: HAPR: The proposed rule addresses emissions of heavy metals including mercury, acid gases, organics, dioxin/furans and particulate matter. The proposed rule would replace the Clean Air Mercury Rule, vacated by the D.C. Circuit Court in 2008.
CSAPR: CSAPR reduces emissions of annual sulfur dioxide (SO2) and nitrogen oxide (NOx) and seasonal NOx from electric generating facilities.
RHPIP: The overall goal of EPA’s Regional Haze Program is to reach natural background conditions in 60 years. How - EPA determined that states should establish goals for improving visibility in national parks and wilderness areas and develop long-term strategies for reducing emissions of air pollutants that impair visibility. These State Implementation Plans (SIPs) were due December 17, 2007.
CCRR: The proposal addresses protective controls at new landfills and requires liners at existing surface impoundments with incentives to close those facilities. USEPA also proposes establishing dam safety requirements to address the structural integrity of surface impoundments.
PCWAS: Section 316(b) of the Clean Water Act (CWA) addresses cooling water systems at power plants and factories. Its goal is to protect aquatic ecosystems and addresses impingement and entrainment of aquatic species.
On what grounds do you object to any of these? (Apart from it infringes on the right to ***** in other peoples' pools for free.)
BTW: the CSAPR is a watered-down version of the CAIR: Clean Air Interstate Rule that was issued in 2005. Who was President then? EPA: Clean Air Interstate Rule
The CCR was proposed in 2008 by er... Bush's administration too.
And so it has been written, and will be done- the church of liberalism from the cult of global warming.
Give me a break. Solar energy causes more permanent damage to the environment than coal, with the accumulation of heavy metals in the soil. The left is terrified of nuclear, will not allow the use of oil shale, prevents new refineries for oil, and opposes natural gas exploration. "Clean" electricity is generated, for the most part, from coal.
What, exactly, does the left want us to use for fuel? Wood and animal dung? Wake up. The left is always full of complaints and notoriously short on solutions.
Nothing wrong with nuclear. It's the cleanest and safest thing out there.
Solar is a scam as far as I am concerned. And it's filthy to boot. It's a shame that so few people understand basic thermodynamics. Each time I hear some fool who really believes that solar energy is "free" and "clean" I wish they would make basic engineeering mandatory in the schools.
So what is the problem with the poor coal industry? Not enough subsidies? Do they need us to keep pouring tax dollars in to prop them up? And if not then the same conservatives who want less government and less pork start to squeal like stuck pigs when it's their precious coal that gets cut?
Let's take them one at a time: HAPR: The proposed rule addresses emissions of heavy metals including mercury, acid gases, organics, dioxin/furans and particulate matter. The proposed rule would replace the Clean Air Mercury Rule, vacated by the D.C. Circuit Court in 2008.
CSAPR: CSAPR reduces emissions of annual sulfur dioxide (SO2) and nitrogen oxide (NOx) and seasonal NOx from electric generating facilities.
RHPIP: The overall goal of EPA’s Regional Haze Program is to reach natural background conditions in 60 years. How - EPA determined that states should establish goals for improving visibility in national parks and wilderness areas and develop long-term strategies for reducing emissions of air pollutants that impair visibility. These State Implementation Plans (SIPs) were due December 17, 2007.
CCRR: The proposal addresses protective controls at new landfills and requires liners at existing surface impoundments with incentives to close those facilities. USEPA also proposes establishing dam safety requirements to address the structural integrity of surface impoundments.
PCWAS: Section 316(b) of the Clean Water Act (CWA) addresses cooling water systems at power plants and factories. Its goal is to protect aquatic ecosystems and addresses impingement and entrainment of aquatic species.
On what grounds do you object to any of these? (Apart from it infringes on the right to ***** in other peoples' pools for free.)
I hope you will be back to address this post.
First, let's both thank the beneficial effect of anti-pollution regulation over the last forty years, which has made our air and water cleaner than it had been for many decades.
Second, let's look at the real-world cost of these marginal "improvements." 10% of our cement plants will close. The gap in production will be made up by imports from countries with lesser environmental controls. Net effect: lost capital, lost jobs, a dirtier world. This is a trifecta for the ignorant application of noble intentions.
Third, is it practical to shut down 20% of our current electrical generating capacity? Really? It reminds me when radon was first discovered as a hazard. "Experts" said that up to 25% of the homes in the country were not habitable. The instant I heard that, I knew it wasn't right. Were 60 million people going to sleep in the park every night until twenty years' worth of new homes could be built?
Fourth, can we agree that if we all drive on cement roads and live and work in buildings that have cement foundations and we all use electricity, we are NOT messing in other people's pools? The utilities ARE us, not some bag of money sitting out there, waiting to be tapped. Can't we be thankful for the environmental progress we have made, and skip the part where we impoverish ourselves with new rules? Can we take into account that poverty is a bigger hazard to health than existing, already-reduced levels of pollution?
Fifteen months and counting. All things Obama related will be reversed and or repealed after Jan 2013. All we have to do is be patient and the insanity will be reversed.
Yep! Can't wait to get the Repub nuts out of the way so we can move the Country forward.
Fifteen months and counting. All things Obama related will be reversed and or repealed after Jan 2013. All we have to do is be patient and the insanity will be reversed.
Nothing wrong with nuclear. It's the cleanest and safest thing out there.
Solar is a scam as far as I am concerned. And it's filthy to boot. It's a shame that so few people understand basic thermodynamics. Each time I hear some fool who really believes that solar energy is "free" and "clean" I wish they would make basic engineeering mandatory in the schools.
So what is the problem with the poor coal industry? Not enough subsidies? Do they need us to keep pouring tax dollars in to prop them up? And if not then the same conservatives who want less government and less pork start to squeal like stuck pigs when it's their precious coal that gets cut?
Less government? Of course. How about the ability to develop the massive oil shale fields in the west, offshore oil drilling, drilling in ANWAR, the Canadian-American pipeline, natural gas reserves in the northeast and west, and new refineries? Essentially by eliminating the restrictive nature of the Obama presidency, we would be well on our way to being more energy independent. The answer of the left is that the development of such reserves would do nothing to prices. Bullcrap. If that was true, why did Obama release the strategic reserves of oil (which is a relative drop in the bucket) in an attempt to reduce gas prices?
Solar is dirty, yet many on the left (yourself excluded) embrace it as "clean", while deriding oil and coal. Most on the left (unlike yourself) are adverse to nuclear, which is probably the "cleanest" energy source we have, next to wind.
Perhaps the left should get thier act together and decide whether using our current fossil fuels as we advance to other supplemental forms of energy (wind, nuclear) is prudent, or whether we should deforest the nation and revert to burning wood and animal dung.
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