How would a transition to a far left system like communism happen without violence? (solution, school)

[davehalo]

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

1) Abolition of private property - (effectively completed) property tax; eminent domain; zoning; Bureau of Land management; the Forrest Service; Department of the Interior; Federal Parks, just to name a few.

awesome. please pay for your own trash service, fire and police protection, road maintenance, and educate your own children to name just a few things...oh and don't go to the hospital unless you have insurance, i wouldn't want other tax payers having to pay for you.

what you effectively want is anarchy...oh wait...is there even such a thing?

2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax

- (Completed)

agree...see above for more sarcasm


[quote] 3) Abolition of all rights of inheritance - ( partial/in progress) Federal and state "estate" inheritance taxes; Probate Laws and procedures. [quote]

the 'death tax' (which i assume is the most repugnant)...affects approximately 2% of americans. WOW...seems to me this is around the same percent of americans in the top 97% of AGI tax filers

4) Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels

- (partial-in progress) Government seizures under DEA and Homeland Security, IRA tax liens and seizures, executive orders for Federalizing private property; Water Rights, mineral rights, etc.

emigrants??? people moving around? who's taking their property?

rebels? what rebels?

5) Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

(Complete) Federal Reserve System is a private monopoly controlling the currency and credit of the nation ... sets interest rates and controls the volume and flow of money.

agree but this has been an argument since the country was founded. what's your point?

[quote] 6) Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State. (Complete) Federal Communications Commission (FCC); Department of Transportation (DOT) The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), Executive orders; mandated driver's licenses, vehicle registration, and Department of Transportation regulations.[quote]

don't know how FCC, DOT and FAA get lumped with state req's for DL's and vehicle reg's....if the DOT and state DOT's didn't build roads, who would? perhaps we could tear it all up and let the pvt industry do it? then we could have a new reality tv show...Ice road trucker's: america's dangerous roads.

FAA....who else would control communications that impact daily life? the pvt sector? wow...so "he" who has the most money would control all? and dictate to us? oh that's right, the little person (mom n pop) would have the capital to own some of this.

Oh...driving a car...it's a privilege NOT A RIGHT!

[quote] 7) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (Relatively Complete) - The Department of Agriculture; Department of Commerce; Department of Labor; Department of Interior; the Environmental Protection Agency; Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, IRS corporate regulations,.[/qoute]

see earlier comments....let's remove all dam construction cuz the pvt sector can afford to build them on their own. we will also turn over vast amounts of ag production to natural lands again so we can be more dependent on foreign food imports (another great idea).

8) Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

(Complete) Department of Labor; Various equal rights movements, particularly Women's Liberation creating a two "income" families which are almost required now to survive ... 19th amendment of the Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, various Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program, FDR's "New Deal" started this ball in motion.

scary but i agree with you re: the two income issue but then you continue to go on.

the federal gov't can either do the work itself (eg FDR's programs) or privatise it....wait, 80% of workers work for a company that has a government contract so 80% of workers are actually pseudo gov't employees....now that's a wild concept. Don't see how ag fits in with this?

9) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

(In-progress) Transnational Mega Corporate Farms; and the division of the country into 10 Regions by FEMA, and many other behind the scenes efforts like EPA regulation of CO2; Agenda 21; Sustainable Development; Smart Grid, Smart Meter; etc.

not conversant enuf on these issues to talk...

10) Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form.

(Complete and self explanatory)

Now, the more overt signs of totalitarianism is all around you .... creation of the Department of Homeland Security; legislation such as the Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act; Open Discussion of lawful and needed "Torture" and Rendition, to include declaring US Citizens enemy terrorists and revoking citizenship and rights of due process; TSA and the electronic strip searching and aggressive physical screening; establishment of "Free Speech Zones" away from public view at functions like the Democratic and Republican National Conventions; Storm Trooper Thugs beating protesters at functions like the G20 and other "Globalist" gatherings.

Then we have a new doctrine of "Preemptive Wars" and bombing and invading other countries without a declaration of war by congress, and in the case if Obama and Pakistan and Libya ... no congressional approval whatsoever ... the list goes on and on and on.

But it couldn't happen here, aye? Keep telling yourself that .... all the way to the FEMA Camp.

i would be more worried about a pluto-corporatocracy than communism...wait...money = speech and "he" who speaks loudest is usually the most often heard regardless of the message. we are already here.

[Kirdik]

Originally Posted by Turboblocke

Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man, while Communism is the opposite.

And what is the opposite exactly?

[WalkTheLine]

Originally Posted by mohawkx

Why does the republican party associate itself with far right nationalistic fascism? These people want a totalitarian state based on a narrow definition of morality and patriotism.

The republican party does not associate with the far right. The views of the KKK and neo nazis are seem as disgusting by the vast majority and anyone that has anything to do with them are quickly outed but on the left its ok to give people like Al Sharpton a show on MSNBC but Fox would never think of giving a person like David Duke a show..

[Kirdik]

Originally Posted by mohawkx

Why does the republican party associate itself with far right nationalistic fascism? These people want a totalitarian state based on a narrow definition of morality and patriotism.

Could you give an example? In case you've forgotten the Democratic party is the party of Jim Crow laws.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by Kirdik

Could you give an example? In case you've forgotten the Democratic party is the party of Jim Crow laws.

Now there you go bringing facts into the discussion.

For a while, the NAACP had a history timeline up on their website. Every negative law or item that could be linked to a republican has the (R) at the end of the name and the negative stuff done by democrats had the (D) removed.

Dang I wished I'd saved that when I had the chance, it was really classic revisionism.

[Turboblocke]

Originally Posted by Kirdik

And what is the opposite exactly?

You're joking aren't you?

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by WalkTheLine

How would a transition to a far left system like communism happen without violence?

It could never possibly happen without violence, so there's little point wasting time fantasizing about it.

[nicet4]

Originally Posted by Phantasy Tokoro

Pretty much this.

Drastic changes won't ever happen without violence.

Also, true communism cannot happen, because humans by nature are greedy idiots.

What does greed have to do with keeping the product of your labor?

If you work on a small orchard watering, pruning and feeding apples all year long what right does anyone have to a single apple you produced? Answer, none.

Does the government have a right to take a percentage of your apples to give to people who have no apples because that is somehow "fair"?

Something that should be taught in school.

Ant and Grasshopper Story

SUMMARY OF THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THE STORY
The ant works very hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Comes winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.

THE NEW LIBERAL VERSION OF THE SAME STORY
It starts out the same but when winter comes the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving. CBS, NBC, and ABC show up and show pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to some film of the ant in his comfortable warm home with a table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can it be, in a country of such wealth that this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

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[geofra]

Originally Posted by Turboblocke
Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man, while Communism is the opposite.

Originally Posted by Kirdik

And what is the opposite exactly?

The exploitation of man by man. Just swing the two "mans" around the "by".

[heetseeker]

I know we can have the govt. slaughter all of the protestors.