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Old 10-18-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: around racist white people
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yeah, its the companies fault that these "cowards" cant find a job. Always blame someone else..

Tell me stick, give me a reason why these corporations should return back to america so they can hire these whiney a$$ babies who think they are entitled to a job?
So corporations who make more income on American soil, advertising to American people aren't obligated to serve those very people?

The middle class is America not the 1%, nor the right wing nut jobs who want to believe one day they'll be rich, we are American and corporations have been selling us out for ages but whenever the ignorant on the right start mouthing off with freedom and their entitlement speeches they don't even see the real enemy and its the corporations.

Information technology has probably lost more jobs due to 3rd world cheaper labor than anywhere else and schools are still pounding out those career paths when more and more of those careers are in China and India but as expected you guys stand behind the same ones who don't care about you at all.

In the real world, I'm not working for 8 dollars when I have 100k worth of school loans over my head.

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Old 10-18-2011, 02:20 PM
 
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I said academic talent was randomly distributed across all of humanity. It is but most kids never have it recognized because they were too dumb to choose smart wealthy parents. Cost should not be a qualifier for academic achievement. That is why I want public funding of ALL education.
Why do Universities charge so much for tuition? To have the coolest kiosks? Or are they promising too much money ( retirements ) to professors. Are your kids getting a fair education? Or are they being brainwashed? Are they being encouraged to protest? Will your kids be more aligned with Socialism or the American Constitution? This Republic.

Look, education is the responsibility of the individual. Some people DECIDE to sit on the couch.

You are in the camp that a college education should be provided by the taxpayer. And welfare. And abortions. And our tax money even provides bums .... with cable TV. Get it GregW? Most Americans are through with giving these smart kids any more.

Wealthy parents? If these kids are so smart - they'd do well to become wealthy parents themselves. Quit blaming the banks. If your kids don't become self sufficient, it's YOUR fault.
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Old 10-18-2011, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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A big part of this problem is the "private-for profit" universities who accepted anyone, helped them obtain large student loans, and gave them a degree that was useless. This is how these for profit universities/colleges made $$$$.






For-Profit Colleges: Targeting People Who Can't Pay : NPR


For Profit College Scams.wmv - YouTube
The average college tuition is obscene, all forms, private, state etc. All of them should be protested by these nit wits.
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Old 10-18-2011, 02:25 PM
 
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In the real world, I'm not working for 8 dollars when I have 100k worth of school loans over my head.
I think you'd better work for 8 dollars. You owe money. If you default, you are a criminal.

If your Daddy won't pay it .... I suggest you go to work. WORK.
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Old 10-18-2011, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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So corporations who make more income on American soil, advertising to American people aren't obligated to serve those very people?

The middle class is America not the 1%, nor the right wing nut jobs who want to believe one day they'll be rich, we are American and corporations have been selling us out for ages but whenever the ignorant on the right start mouthing off with freedom and their entitlement speeches they don't even see the real enemy and its the corporations.

Information technology has probably lost more jobs due to 3rd world cheaper labor than anywhere else and schools are still pounding out those career paths when more and more of those careers are in China and India but as expected you guys stand behind the same ones who don't care about you at all.

In the real world, I'm not working for 8 dollars when I have 100k worth of school loans over my head.

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Corporations are not obliged to anything, other than follow the law. If you don't think their products provide value don't buy them. What is with people today? No one owes you anything, not corporations, not government, not your mommy and daddy and not me!
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Old 10-18-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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I'm a married man. Do you know what responsibility is? You work for a living. You do what you have to do. Do I have debt? YES I pay it off. Screw these whiny 20 year olds who think 100K jobs should just fall into their laps. Be a man/woman and work dammit.
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Old 10-18-2011, 04:52 PM
 
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Corporations are not obliged to anything, other than follow the law. If you don't think their products provide value don't buy them. What is with people today? No one owes you anything, not corporations, not government, not your mommy and daddy and not me!
That couldn't be said better.

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So corporations who make more income on American soil, advertising to American people aren't obligated to serve those very people?
It is very simple. They make a product and sell it to people that want it. That is business. It is not their responsibility to take care of you or anyone else.

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The middle class is America not the 1%, nor the right wing nut jobs who want to believe one day they'll be rich, we are American and corporations have been selling us out for ages but whenever the ignorant on the right start mouthing off with freedom and their entitlement speeches they don't even see the real enemy and its the corporations.
Selling us out how?

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Information technology has probably lost more jobs due to 3rd world cheaper labor than anywhere else and schools are still pounding out those career paths when more and more of those careers are in China and India but as expected you guys stand behind the same ones who don't care about you at all.
And the people in China and India are glad to have the jobs.

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In the real world, I'm not working for 8 dollars when I have
100k worth of school loans over my head.
There is no other world. What do you think is going to happen to you by not paying your bills? The magic entitlement fairy will fly down and wave her magic wand?

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And whatever this is I'm guessing you can't really afford it.
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I think everyone should work for a living, so it's not that they shouldn't have a job but these people think because they layed around in college for 4 years that they are too good to work anything but a job paying 6 figures. Many have never held a job of any kind and have few job skills. And colleges have dumbed down greatly and many college graduates are functionally illiterate
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I'm gonna needs some stats on this statement.
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Me, too!

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Why has college education become a business in USA? Why students in UK, Australia, Japan, India, China, Canada have little to no debt while American students are pounded with student debt? This is because corporate lust for profit has infested the Great American Education system? Why are Wall Street companies hiring in countries like India where students have no debt as compared to hard working American students who have tonnes of loans due to overpriced university education and only options are working at walmart/fast food joints for minimum wage salary.
B/C college education is government supported in manyof these places.

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BS -

I see my generation (borderline of X and Y) going to have far less than all the boomers ever had. You people didn't work hard, the generation before you did. They were born in a depression and fought WW2 so you could have it easy. Now we have to pay for you aging people to spit on us and tell us how you worked hard.

I was born in the late 1960's. The folks born before me, not the loony birds who were protestors in the 60's worked so much harder than the dumb folks (I want it now) from my generation and after. I look forward to interviewing the folks below age 45. Many younger folks I see have attitudes, don't want to work 70 hrs a wekk, don't want to do conference calls calls on weekends, dress inappropriately in work force (yes, you need a jacket and tie), and impatient in working their way up in an organization. Old school is so much better ...and I am part of the younger generation.
Whine, whine, whine! What generation doesn't think they had it worse than anyone else?

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Personally, I think college costs way too much. Back before the 90s I guess, college was affordable and you could actually go to a university fulltime and work to pay it off as you go.
Actually, I think that's an old wives' tale. When you talk to people who were in college then, they didn't all acutally work it off; they got help from parents, scholarships, etc.

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Another problem is the increasing requirements for professions, which seem to be in place only because there are too many qualified candidates. Many veteran social workers only hold an AA degree, now the profession requires a Masters' for any consideration. School teachers will soon be required to hold a Masters Degree. Both professions barely pay enough for cost-of-living, let alone factoring in $100,000+interest in loan paybacks.
As long as I've been in nursing (40 years) the requirements for a social worker have been an MSW. There may be a FEW around who still only have an AA/BSW.
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Old 10-18-2011, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I know 3 different people that owed more than 75K and have BKd just to dump the debt.
Sure you do!

Student Loans: Discharge in Bankruptcy for Undue Hardship
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:11 PM
 
Location: OKC
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The tax payers should not have to pay for your student loans. No reason to make the plumber pay for your ivy league modern dance degree.

But I would support the right to bankruptcy. It seems to me that a college degree is like the start-up cost of any new business. It's a gamble that it will pay off in increased income down the road. But sometimes the economy goes bad, or the plan isn't very good, etc. So you may have to eat the bad credit rating and file for bankruptcy.

So I give the OWS crowd this much. I have re-examined my position on student loans, and while I don't think they should be outright forgiven, I do think that it shouldn't put a person is perpetual debt if it turns out to not be as profitable as initially assumed. Just like any business debt.
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