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Old 10-24-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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Haven't you heard?

Carbon dioxide is a pollutant.
problem is...any chemical can be harmful in excessive quantity.

so at what level do you say something is harmful to humans and their environment.

now i digress but the basic chemical properties of CO2 are known.

it is a gas (duh) and in large enough quantities can act as a 'thermal blanket' trapping in solar radiation that would normal escape the earth's atmosphere.

humanity also knows that CO2 levels have fluctuated over the earth's span of existence. warm periods equate to high levels of CO2.

I know, I know...correlation does not equal causation...but its interesting to note that CO2 levels have been rising since the industrial age began as have temperatures.
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Old 10-25-2011, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Once you can have people killed outside the limits of the constitution, the rest comes easy.

Correct!

It's death by a thousand paper cuts.

The transfer of power from the states to the Feds over the last 150 years is almost complete. They are almost in total control, and now the shift is from Congress to the President.

Both power shifts are killing freedom and increasing the size of our bloated government.
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Old 10-25-2011, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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It just might be me but I don't think a plan that would eliminate the department of energy, which regulates who buys, uses, and how they dispose of all nuclear material, is going to gather a single vote. Generally most people with brain cells than teeth would think that even proposing something like that would be pretty crazy, and supporting it delusional.

We don't need to regulate who buys and sells energy products. And we don't need a huge organization to regulate the disposal of nuclear material.

So yes, the dept of energy can be eliminated and their few needed functions picked up elsewhere.
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Old 10-25-2011, 02:39 PM
 
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Correct!

It's death by a thousand paper cuts.

The transfer of power from the states to the Feds over the last 150 years is almost complete. They are almost in total control, and now the shift is from Congress to the President.

Both power shifts are killing freedom and increasing the size of our bloated government.
if states didn't need to rely so much on federal funding, then states would have more control.

but by holding their hand out for fed dollars, the fed can then dictate terms....ummmm...drinking age from 18 to 21 is a classic example as is the reduction of the BAC from 0.1 to 0.08. if you don't do it, then DOT dollars will be withheld.

problem with that then is how much competition between states do we really want? national security is jeopardized at that point....
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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if states didn't need to rely so much on federal funding, then states would have more control.

but by holding their hand out for fed dollars, the fed can then dictate terms....ummmm...drinking age from 18 to 21 is a classic example as is the reduction of the BAC from 0.1 to 0.08. if you don't do it, then DOT dollars will be withheld.

problem with that then is how much competition between states do we really want? national security is jeopardized at that point....

I don't think national security is jeopardized at any point when it comes to these issues. We're not talking about the Feds giving up their military.
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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It just might be me but I don't think a plan that would eliminate the department of energy, which regulates who buys, uses, and how they dispose of all nuclear material, is going to gather a single vote. .

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.”
― P.J. O'Rourke, H.L. Mencken Research Fellow at the Cato Institute
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Our ancestors abandoned the republican form in the 1820s for the democratic form. And our ancestors transformed the democratic form into the socialist democratic form in 1935. And now, we're stuck with the results.
[head smack]
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I know, I know...correlation does not equal causation...but its interesting to note that CO2 levels have been rising since the industrial age began as have temperatures.
What some have asserted is that temperature causes an increase in CO2, in addition, more CO2 in the atmosphere also causes an increase in temperature. Thus, once it passes a certain equilibrium we end up with a run-away "greenhouse" effect.

Since it has been considerably warmer with significantly more CO2 in the past, than it currently is today, and we did not end up like Venus, it is reasonable to conclude that we are not anywhere near that tipping point today. At the present rate of change, it also appears that we will not approach that pivotal point anytime in at least the next few million years.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:19 AM
 
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The Constitution is old and outdated and needs to be replaced.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Our ancestors abandoned the republican form in the 1820s for the democratic form.
I disagree. Just because the States adopted a popular vote for President as a means of each State determining their Electors in 1824, does not mean they abandoned the republican form of government, as the US Constitution guarantees. The States legislatures continued to select their Electors and send them to the Electoral College, just as the US Constitution requires. The US Constitution is mute about the means the various State legislatures may make their selection. If they want to choose a popular vote, that does not violate the US Constitution. They could also abolish the popular vote for President and choose a completely different means of making their selection, and that would also be constitutional.

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And our ancestors transformed the democratic form into the socialist democratic form in 1935. And now, we're stuck with the results.
[head smack]
I cannot dispute you there. But we are a socialist republican form of government. It does not matter if it is republican or democratic, if the government is socialist it is doomed.

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." --- Alexis-Charles-Henri Clérel de Tocqueville (July 29, 1805 – April 16, 1859), Democracy in America (Vol. I, 1835)
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