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Old 10-29-2011, 12:54 AM
 
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Wrong, More than 44,000 Americans die every year – 122 every day – due to lack of health insurance. --http://www.pnhp.org/excessdeaths/hea...-US-adults.pdf
That's a junk stat cooked up by a group that lobbied for Obamacare.

It was debunked by this one.

http://healthblog.ncpa.org/does-lack...-probably-not/

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Last year, a report by Families USA made the astounding claim that 6 people die every day in Florida because they are uninsured. Seven die every day in Texas, 8 in California, and 25 in New York.
So the premise is, if you were uninsured for even one day, and eventually died, it was because you were uninsured.

What crap.

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Old 10-29-2011, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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It's a plan for a few million people subsidized by the rest of the country.

Who do costs get shifted to if 310,000,000 people are on the VA plan?
In the same way every other industrialized nation in the world does it. Where do you think all your money and insurance premiums goes now? To making these huge health insurance companies wealthier.
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:00 AM
 
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In the same way every other industrialized nation in the world does it. Where do you think all your money and insurance premiums goes now? To making these huge health insurance companies wealthier.
No, they have government imposed shortages.

I like my health care.

Government's promises are worth nothing.
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Here is the problem with your health care system and why it is not affordable for so many people....It is not the government. It is the insurance corporations that make it so expensive.

Cigna earned about $1.35 billion, or $4.89 per share, on $21.25 billion in revenue in 2010. That was up from $1.3 billion, or $4.73 per share, on $18.41 billion in revenue in 2009. The insurer’s medical membership climbed 4 percent to 11.4 million people compared to the final quarter of 2009,

Cigna Corp. CEO David M. Cordani received compensation valued at $15.1 million last year from the Philadelphia managed-care company, according to an Associated Press analysis of a regulatory filing Friday. http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/...alth-care.html

This is one company that reaped this profit insuring only 11.4 million people...Can you imagine how much the total cost and profit of all the insurers is? As long as these corporations are involved there is no possible way that insurance cost will ever be reasonable...

Notice that I live in British Columbia, and here we have excellent care at a reasonable price...My monthly premiums are $60.50, and before someone pipes in about how much tax we pay...We pay less here than you folks in the US do....Look it up if you doubt me.

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Old 10-29-2011, 01:05 AM
 
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Here is the problem with your health care system and why it is not affordable for so many people....It is not the government. It is the insurance corporations that make it so expensive.

Cigna earned about $1.35 billion, or $4.89 per share, on $21.25 billion in revenue in 2010. That was up from $1.3 billion, or $4.73 per share, on $18.41 billion in revenue in 2009. The insurer’s medical membership climbed 4 percent to 11.4 million people compared to the final quarter of 2009,

Cigna Corp. CEO David M. Cordani received compensation valued at $15.1 million last year from the Philadelphia managed-care company, according to an Associated Press analysis of a regulatory filing Friday.

This is one company that reaped this profit insuring only 11.4 million people...Can you imagine how much the total profit of all the insurers is? As long as these corporations are involved there is no possible way that insurance cost will ever be reasonable...

Notice that I live in British Columbia, and here we have excellent care at a reasonable price...My monthly premiums are $60.50, and before someone pipes in about how much tax we pay...We pay less here than you folks in the US do....Look it up if you doubt me.
Eliminating profit doesn't guarantee Americans will get all the insurance they want at a price they are willing to pay.
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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That's a junk stat cooked up by a group that lobbied for Obamacare.
You are missing the main point in an attempt to absolve yourself from the real issue that there are millions of uninsured and underinsured Americans. And yes, many will die due to lack of coverage. You can try and nitpick articles and studies with opposing views regarding numbers. But the fact still remains that millions of Americans go uninsured bottom line.
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:08 AM
 
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You are missing the main point in an attempt to absolve yourself from the real issue that there are millions of uninsured and underinsured Americans. And yes, many will die due to lack of coverage. You can try and nitpick articles and studies with opposing views. But the fact still remains that millions of Ameircans go uninsured bottom line.
They get health care. Everyone dies.

Screw government telling me what health insurance to have.
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:13 AM
 
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This will help.

It's about 12 million, not 47 million. And those 12 million people move in and out of insurance, so it's not the same 12 million people.


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Old 10-29-2011, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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They get health care. Everyone dies.

Screw government telling me what health insurance to have.
Well, then all I can offer is to live and learn at this point. Everyone has there own choice to make. But I think you will discover that the insurance companies which you put your faith and trust in now are just as bad and in most cases worse than the Gov't you mistrust to oversee them.
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:25 AM
 
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Well, then all I can offer is to live and learn at this point. Everyone has there own choice to make. But I think you will discover that the insurance companies which you put your faith and trust in now are just as bad and in most cases worse than the Gov't you mistrust to oversee them.
Private insurance is a conract into which you enter freely.

Government wants to disrupt the health insurance for all but 12 million Americans for more promises it can't afford to keep.

Who wants that? I don't.
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