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Old 11-05-2011, 04:15 PM
 
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Wow, I CANNOT believe how particular music and narration can make 90% of that information sound ominous and threatining. Ridiculous. They also added/subtracted key points as they were showing scary pictures! No wonder you can brainwash entire swaths of unsuspecting people who hate the left/Obama/democrats into belivieing crapolla like that! Wow, I've never really understood how/why people would get so over the moon crazy about "Obamacare"....now I see. Ignorance breeds ignorance. That is SO sad!
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Old 11-05-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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tell that to michelle tingle, who lost her father do to canadian health care system that could not give her father triple bypass surgery due to the wai times. that says alot about canadian health care. when people die waiting for health care to be supplied by the goverment who should not even be involved with health care in the 1st place.

this is what obamacare will do to the USA.

Wow thats one person out of 7 BILLION!
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Old 11-05-2011, 04:19 PM
 
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my math has NOTHING to due with insurance

the FACT is the cost of CARE would be 2.5 trillion to 6 trillion depending on a full or partial coverage for the 320 million people

fact RIGHT NOW medicare/caid spends nearly a trillion to cover 1/5th of the population..and that is based on the governemt LOW PAYMENTS that doctors cant afford

doctor says a visit is 60..yet medicare/caid will only pay 25....

medicare is 'about' an 80/20...yet cost over 590 billion just to PARTIALLY cover 35 million seniors

the FACTS are there
This assumes that we don't proceed to some basic reforms. For example a unique set of tariffs nationwide no matter who your insurance company is and insurance companies operating nationwide instead of statewide.

Additionally, medical administration is a disaster zone. They make even the federal government look efficient. And that is 25% of all our health care dollars.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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my math has NOTHING to due with insurance

the FACT is the cost of CARE would be 2.5 trillion to 6 trillion depending on a full or partial coverage for the 320 million people

fact RIGHT NOW medicare/caid spends nearly a trillion to cover 1/5th of the population..and that is based on the governemt LOW PAYMENTS that doctors cant afford

doctor says a visit is 60..yet medicare/caid will only pay 25....

medicare is 'about' an 80/20...yet cost over 590 billion just to PARTIALLY cover 35 million seniors

the FACTS are there
If your math is correct, then there remains only one answer...Whoever is in charge of your health care are colossally stupid or greedy...If we can cover everyone in Canada for half the cost of what it now costs in the US, give me one reason that it cannot be done?
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:04 PM
 
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If your math is correct, then there remains only one answer...Whoever is in charge of your health care are colossally stupid or greedy...If we can cover everyone in Canada for half the cost of what it now costs in the US, give me one reason that it cannot be done?
Who says we can do that?
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Who says we can do that?
Are you in the habit of answering a question with a question? Well, tell me why you can't. Thirty-two of the thirty-three developed nations have universal health care, with the United States being the lone exception.

List of Countries with Universal Healthcare « True Cost – Analyzing our economy, government policy, and society through the lens of cost-benefit

This is what you have to look forward to in the US, and I see it being even more costly than what you have now, that is unless you go to a true single payer system.

Insurance Mandate: The government mandates that all citizens purchase insurance, whether from private, public, or non-profit insurers. In some cases the insurer list is quite restrictive, while in others a healthy private market for insurance is simply regulated and standardized by the government. In this kind of system insurers are barred from rejecting sick individuals, and individuals are required to purchase insurance, in order to prevent typical health care market failures from arising. This just adds another layer to the cost of health care.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:14 PM
 
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Are you in the habit of answering a question with a question? Well, tell me why you can't. Thirty-two of the thirty-three developed nations have universal health care, with the United States being the lone exception.

List of Countries with Universal Healthcare « True Cost – Analyzing our economy, government policy, and society through the lens of cost-benefit
I don't care if others have been suckered into depending on government to tell them how much health care they should have.

Their problem.

Not mine.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:44 PM
 
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Which is about 300,000,000 out of 310,000,000 Americans.

UuuufhdaaH! What planet are you living on?

You're interpreting the fact of unreported illnesses as healthy people? Those illnesses are unreported because people can't afford to get the treatment! Jeeez. They're working regardless, because they haven't got a choice.

You aren't seriously saying that they are at the peak of their efficiency are you? if so, you haven't been into a factory lately to watch the folks showing up with illnesses or not keeping their jobs in this economy.

300,000,000 of the 310,000,000 working are productive? I want some of what you're smoking right now!
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I don't care if others have been suckered into depending on government to tell them how much health care they should have.

Their problem.

Not mine.
I find that attitude quite common on this forum...
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:58 PM
 
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I don't care if others have been suckered into depending on government to tell them how much health care they should have.

Their problem.

Not mine.
I'm seeing the problem here and it's fairly simple really. You don't trust your government AT ALL! You can afford to pay so screw everyone else.

Instead of a government that would provide oversight and controls you fear yours would take advantage and merely line up at the trough with the big corps to rape you while you're bent over getting that shot in the butt.

That's some system ya got going; they're all crooked so I'm not opting or forcing any change and everyone else is on their own.

Would it be easier for you to swallow a universal health care program if the government could be trusted to oversee it with an arms length policy?

Eg: No lobbyists for big drug companies allowed on the hill, no drug company contributions to election campaigns etc., You can work for those changes.
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