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Old 09-26-2011, 12:41 PM
 
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The Pro-Life movement is a position generally associated with the right, as the Pro-Choice lobby is considered left. This always struck me as odd. If I knew nothing about where the two parties stood on this issue, but had an understanding on where they stood on defining the role of government, I would have bet the farm that Pro-Choice would be the Republican position demanding government not interfere with personal freedoms. I could also see the Democrats taking a position to defend the defenseless unborn.

Similarly the position of legalizing drugs is generally aligned with the left, whereas on paper, I would think the Republicans would view using drugs as a personal choice not to be interfered with by the government. Yet, neither party is interested in an agenda of expanding prohibition to alcohol or contracting it to exclude pot.

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Old 09-26-2011, 12:47 PM
 
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The republican party is based on hypocrisy.
They campaign on "less government!" though stand for big government with anti-choice, anti-gay marriage, the patriot act, department of homeland security,..etc.
The republicans want "less government" on everything except for what they want. The same goes with spending, they claim "less spending!" though spend like manics on their policies and want to slash everything else.
In the end their entire persona of being the ones for less government, less spending and pro constitution are complete lies, they stand for exactly for what they pretend to be against.
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:49 PM
 
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The republican party is based on hypocrisy.

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The republicans want "less government" on everything except for what they want. The same goes with spending, they claim "less spending!" though spend like manics on their policies and want to slash everything else.
This pretty much sums it up. Excellent post.
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:50 PM
 
Location: NC
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The Pro-Life movement is a position generally associated with the right, as the Pro-Choice lobby is considered left. This always struck me as odd. If I knew nothing about where the two parties stood on this issue, but had an understanding on where they stood on defining the role of government, I would have bet the farm that Pro-Choice would be the Republican position demanding government not interfere with personal freedoms. I could also see the Democrats taking a position to defend the defenseless unborn.

Similarly the position of legalizing drugs is generally aligned with the left, whereas on paper, I would think the Republicans would view using drugs as a personal choice not to be interfered with by the government. Yet, neither party is interested in an agenda of expanding prohibition to alcohol or contracting it to exclude pot.

Thoughts?
Democrats tend to favor greater social freedom, and government regulation of the economy. Republicans tend to favor greater economic freedom and stricter regulation of what people do on their own time.

Thus why Republicans tend to oppose gay marriage, gambling, legalization of pot, abortion etc. while they think Wall street and business should be free to do whatever while democrats tend to think all of the above are not as big problems as having social safety nets and business regulation.

The only people who tend to favor both social and economic freedom are libertarians. With that said however a bunch of old social conservative Republican types have tried the re-brand themselves as "Libertarian" even though they still have the same possitions. The trick to telling them apart is to ask about sodomy, porn and gay marriage. Almost all real libertarians will tell you the government has no business there, while most Republicans who re-brand themselves as Libertarians will strongly oppose a least 1 or more of those.
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:51 PM
 
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By and large the Republican Party is patriarchal. The patriarchs must keep women suppressed and under the control of their fathers, husbands or the State. Women must never be able to control their fecundity.

When the Republicans speak of rights they are referring to the rights of the rich, the white and the males. They do not consider women to be real people. At least if the woman is poor and black.
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:51 PM
 
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Here's another bit of their hypocracy.

We can borrow for Afghanistan and Iraq, but don't you dare help America in a time of need!

Republican senator says no more military cuts - CNN

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We can't borrow money every time something goes wrong in America.
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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The way I see it you're either a communist, a libertarian, or a hypocrite
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:01 PM
 
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The Pro-Life movement is a position generally associated with the right, as the Pro-Choice lobby is considered left. This always struck me as odd. If I knew nothing about where the two parties stood on this issue, but had an understanding on where they stood on defining the role of government, I would have bet the farm that Pro-Choice would be the Republican position demanding government not interfere with personal freedoms. I could also see the Democrats taking a position to defend the defenseless unborn.

Similarly the position of legalizing drugs is generally aligned with the left, whereas on paper, I would think the Republicans would view using drugs as a personal choice not to be interfered with by the government. Yet, neither party is interested in an agenda of expanding prohibition to alcohol or contracting it to exclude pot.

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The right only pretends they want less government, that is unless they are trying to force their moral and religious views on others, and then it's all about government interference.
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:04 PM
 
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Pro life and all that comes with it (illegal abortions, limits on bc, etc) is not and should never be something that is a foundation of the Republican party or any political party. That isn't a matter of national concern.
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:12 PM
 
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Democrats tend to favor greater social freedom, and government regulation of the economy. Republicans tend to favor greater economic freedom and stricter regulation of what people do on their own time.

Thus why Republicans tend to oppose gay marriage, gambling, legalization of pot, abortion etc. while they think Wall street and business should be free to do whatever while democrats tend to think all of the above are not as big problems as having social safety nets and business regulation.

The only people who tend to favor both social and economic freedom are libertarians. With that said however a bunch of old social conservative Republican types have tried the re-brand themselves as "Libertarian" even though they still have the same possitions. The trick to telling them apart is to ask about sodomy, porn and gay marriage. Almost all real libertarians will tell you the government has no business there, while most Republicans who re-brand themselves as Libertarians will strongly oppose a least 1 or more of those.
For the most part I agree, however I would consider gun regulation a glaring exception where roles are reversed. I would consider gun ownership a social freedom.

It's interesting that if you take a position to not legislate against something you are branded as advocating it. Such as the Pro-Choice lobby advocationg abortion. Will the Libertarians be branded the pro-sodomy party?
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