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Old 11-13-2011, 03:10 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Heritage Member,

What you did basically tilts the responses. Picture me saying, do you remember Iran Contra? Did you remember amnesty for illegal immigrants? What did you think of the debt increasing 350% during Reagan's Presidency? Was Reagan a good president?

How about balancing things out with Obama took office with the worst possible economic situation. Few of the economic problems can be fixed quickly BY ANYONE. He also inherited two problematic military conflicts.

Why are numbers bad? The economy is bad. Bad economy = bad numbers even if it is not your fault. The Republican congress is running at <10% the last time I checked.

He'll get his message out. There likely won't be a decent opponent for him. His message is probably its not his fault, there's no easy solution and nobody on the right has any ideas that work.

His low numbers are the economy. The 'scandals' are mostly whined about by people who would vote for a Penn State Offensive Coordinator before they'd vote democrat.

Change course? There's not much he can really do. The economy was overstimulated before the economic collapse. All of the usual plays like dropping interest rates were fully done before he took office. There's no magic solution for the real estate mess. The 'out of control' spending is mostly just programs that existed as is when Republicans were in control.

He could have passed what he wanted and did. He passed something at which a half dozen Presidents had failed. He passed Healthcare reform. That used most of his political capital. Gays in the military. A bunch of stimulus for which he had no choice.

Why does it 'appear' as if his supporters don't think they've failed? Largely it's the other way around. The usual whining is from the social conservatives who whine like children that things like the stimulus failed. Of course, the CBO looked at this and proved that was not the case. I'll give that people might be opposed to his health reform bill, but he got it done when Clinton, Reagan, etc, failed. It will take a while to know if the healthcare reform was a failure or not. Most of the other bailouts were done by Bush or are the same thing that Bush and McCain would have done/were going to do.

Why should this have anything to do with right or left. People should debate based on data and sound opinions. I hope the right and left crybabies stay out of this. I'm sure I'll hit save here though and see the usual baseless comments here though.

ps. As to your signature, the economy 'died' before Obama took office. Not sure what him 'lying' had to do with that. I'd look more to those who wanted to de-regulate banks as a cause.


Start with Clinton's working group.

"The Working Group has concluded that under many circumstances, the trading of financial derivatives by eligible swap participants4 should be excluded from the CEA. To do otherwise would perpetuate legal uncertainty or impose unnecessary regulatory burdens and constraints upon the development of these markets in the United States."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...inMHr8G7RgTh3Q
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Indiana
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I don't know what planet you were living on at the time, but Obama had a spell on more than just liberals in '08.

To say Obama is not qualified is such a laughably tired argument, I don't even know where to begin.

Barak Obama is a Harvard educated attorney. This means he is in the "1%". Of course, I am referencing to intelligence.

Barak Obama was an Illinois state Senator for seven years. He was a U.S. Senator for three.

Let's put him up against John McCain. McCain had coattails to ride. Obama had none.

McCain did poorly in school. Obama was the editor of the Harvard Law Review.

Sure, McCain has more political experience but so what? Several potential Republican presidential nominees are trying to run as the "outsider".

I hope this answers your question.
Obama is not qualify to run anything let alone the U.S.A. AND iAM NOT LAUGHTING. Obama is book smart, a nurd!! or and idiot. Obama was held up by the media as the king and savior of the liberal world. and now we are broke because there are to many liberals living of consevetive's hard work!!
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I agree with you 100%! For the amount of crap Obama has inherited he has stood up to the plate and has come out swinging every time.
He may have been a Junior Senator but this man is a President!
Obama 2012!

Swinging and missing has never helped a team win. This manchild is a loser.
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:39 AM
 
Location: #
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You make it sound as if John McCain had it made without understanding that he came from a long lineage of family being Naval Officers.The people who go to these service academies can't be as ignorant as you depict like they are some community college.

If flying jets off and landing them on a moving ship getting shot down being held for a very long time mistreated tortured is riding coattails?
More like service to ones country above and beyond.

Before anyone says mean and nasty things remember the enemy offered to release John McCain because of who his father was and his grandfather [his task force sank like 48 Japanese ships in one day] but he refused to leave without the others in the Hanoi Hilton.They abused him even worse.

Like to see our current POTUS fly an A-4 off a bobbing carrier and then return for a landing the only experience Obama has is Air Force One and with Navy carriers a basketball game [Mission Accomplished].John McCain spent more time in prison than Barrack did in Congress.I would take a common sense candidate over a 1% er any day
You are going to call someone who chose Sarah Palin as their running mate the "common sense candidate"? Really?
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:14 AM
 
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Why do you think his numbers are so bad?
the economic factors that affect most people are awful.

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Do you think Obama should change course?
i think reform comes from congress, and both parties in congress have been full of bad ideas, with no clue what the problems are. I think Obama does an OK job if we align our expectations to what he's capable of, which is: putting bandaids on everything.

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He could have passed anything he wanted
i just don't think that's true, whether his party is in control or not.

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Why is the economy still so much worse than people thought it would be at this point in time?
it is not worse than i thought it would be. it is actually much better, considering how stupid our approach is in the first place. we've really been sacrificing the future for the sake of the present. If I was president I would've told the banks, "Tough sh*t," and poured money into credit unions if somebody needed to borrow.

their bank stress tests weren't stressful, their projections were wildly optimistic, the whole thing was designed to "extend and pretend." I don't understand what their goals are so i can't say if it's been successful.
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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About a year from now all you righties are going to have one bad day as you find out the majority of Americans aint buying the hate on Obama thingy,and your world of negativity and hate will come crashing down as President Obama gets re elected to a second term.
It will be an active day on this section of the forum..
Looking on the bright side of things you'll get another 4 years of things to whine about on the forum..
4 MORE YEARS of whine and blame from "THE GREAT DIVIDER" you mean
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:06 AM
 
Location: California
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Its the economy stupid.
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Old 11-14-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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You are going to call someone who chose Sarah Palin as their running mate the "common sense candidate"? Really?
Well I wasn't going to vote for the Hope & Change candidate and I wasn't too crazy gaga over McCain.Talk about V.P. choices Biden has turned out to be a real peach now hasn't he ?
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Old 11-14-2011, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Do you think the scandals (Solyndra, gun running, etc) are the reason for his low numbers or is it mostly the economy?
A combination of political games by the opposition, and people being governed by emotions as opposed to logic.
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