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Old 12-07-2011, 06:58 PM
 
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Two problems with Darwinism.

1. It does not effectively explain the beginning of life

For many, this leaves the shred of hope for a creator.

2. There is no direct "this is the missing link".

You can't show someone a missing link. There are millions of missing links.

Those are generally the reasons why.

1. Just because you can't prove the origin of life doesn't mean Darwinism hasn't been proven.

2. what missing links are you referring to?
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:01 PM
 
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Evolution is one of them, which is real.

I'm sold, case closed.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Darwinism is real. lol

I don't know why many fail to agree, but they rather believe in some book written hundreds of years ago. Most scientists have proven Darwinism on so many scales, so why do most humans won't buy it?
By "most" I assume you are lumping all Christians into the pile?

What about the Catholic church, lumping them in too?

The Vatican claims Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with Christianity - Telegraph

I wouldn't say most I would say some. There's a difference.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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10 Ways Darwin got it wrong - The Conspiracy of Evolution, page 1



10 reasons why it isn't real.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:04 PM
 
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I'm sold, case closed.



LMAO
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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1. Just because you can't prove the origin of life doesn't mean Darwinism hasn't been proven.

2. what missing links are you referring to?

Darwins theory explains how life multiplied and changed into the complex system and numbers of different life forms we have today, as well as the millions or more that have gone extinct before our written history. Darwin doesn't explain away God, unless you believe that God had hands on everything, all the time. Its simply a sticking point for some, how did life began?

The missing link I'm referring to is the one that most people who are unaware of what Darwins theory really is, want. The Gorilla begat Neanderthal begat humans, kind of example.

But, as I explained before, there are thousands of transitional species between species a and species z. No definitive missing link will ever be found. We aren't 100% sure of the transition from homo erectus to homo sapien, but its a good bet that it happened. No other species have been close enough to father ours.


And I believe the Theory of Evolution, I think it happened, it explains the abundance of life around us, and how life exploded after extinction events. God doesn't. God may explain creation, but in reality, we don't know what began life.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:05 PM
 
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If it can't be defined, it can't proved or disproved.

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Old 12-07-2011, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Can you explain the Cambrian Explosion?
Sure.

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The Cambrian explosion was the seemingly sudden appearance of a variety of complex animals about 540 million years ago (Mya), but it was not the origin of complex life. Evidence of multicellular life from about 590 and 560 Mya appears in the Doushantuo Formation in China (Chen et al. 2000, 2004), and diverse fossil forms occurred before 555 Mya (Martin et al. 2000). (The Cambrian began 543 Mya., and the Cambrian explosion is considered by many to start with the first trilobites, about 530 Mya.) Testate amoebae are known from about 750 Mya (Porter and Knoll 2000). There are tracelike fossils more than 1,200 Mya in the Stirling Range Formation of Australia (Rasmussen et al. 2002). Eukaryotes (which have relatively complex cells) may have arisen 2,700 Mya, according to fossil chemical evidence (Brocks et al. 1999). Stromatolites show evidence of microbial life 3,430 Mya (Allwood et al. 2006). Fossil microorganisms may have been found from 3,465 Mya (Schopf 1993). There is isotopic evidence of sulfur-reducing bacteria from 3,470 Mya (Shen et al. 2001) and possible evidence of microbial etching of volcanic glass from 3,480 Mya (Furnes et al. 2004).

There are transitional fossils within the Cambrian explosion fossils. For example, there are lobopods (basically worms with legs) which are intermediate between arthropods and worms (Conway Morris 1998).

Only some phyla appear in the Cambrian explosion. In particular, all plants postdate the Cambrian, and flowering plants, by far the dominant form of land life today, only appeared about 140 Mya (Brown 1999).

Even among animals, not all types appear in the Cambrian. Cnidarians, sponges, and probably other phyla appeared before the Cambrian. Molecular evidence shows that at least six animal phyla are Precambrian (Wang et al. 1999). Bryozoans appear first in the Ordovician. Many other soft-bodied phyla do not appear in the fossil record until much later. Although many new animal forms appeared during the Cambrian, not all did. According to one reference (Collins 1994), eleven of thirty-two metazoan phyla appear during the Cambrian, one appears Precambrian, eight after the Cambrian, and twelve have no fossil record.

And that just considers phyla. Almost none of the animal groups that people think of as groups, such as mammals, reptiles, birds, insects, and spiders, appeared in the Cambrian. The fish that appeared in the Cambrian was unlike any fish alive today.

The length of the Cambrian explosion is ambiguous and uncertain, but five to ten million years is a reasonable estimate; some say the explosion spans forty million years or more, starting about 553 million years ago. Even the shortest estimate of five million years is hardly sudden.

There are some plausible explanations for why diversification may have been relatively sudden:

The evolution of active predators in the late Precambrian likely spurred the coevolution of hard parts on other animals. These hard parts fossilize much more easily than the previous soft-bodied animals, leading to many more fossils but not necessarily more animals.

Early complex animals may have been nearly microscopic. Apparent fossil animals smaller than 0.2 mm have been found in the Doushantuo Formation, China, forty to fifty-five million years before the Cambrian (Chen et al. 2004). Much of the early evolution could have simply been too small to see.

The earth was just coming out of a global ice age at the beginning of the Cambrian (Hoffman 1998; Kerr 2000). A "snowball earth" before the Cambrian explosion may have hindered development of complexity or kept populations down so that fossils would be too rare to expect to find today. The more favorable environment after the snowball earth would have opened new niches for life to evolve into.

Hox genes, which control much of an animal's basic body plan, were likely first evolving around that time. Development of these genes might have just then allowed the raw materials for body plans to diversify (Carroll 1997).

Atmospheric oxygen may have increased at the start of the Cambrian (Canfield and Teske 1996; Logan et al. 1995; Thomas 1997).

Planktonic grazers began producing fecal pellets that fell to the bottom of the ocean rapidly, profoundly changing the ocean state, especially its oxygenation (Logan et al. 1995).

Unusual amounts of phosphate were deposited in shallow seas at the start of the Cambrian (Cook and Shergold 1986; Lipps and Signor 1992).

Cambrian life was still unlike almost everything alive today. Although several phyla appear to have diverged in the Early Cambrian or before, most of the phylum-level body plans appear in the fossil record much later (Budd and Jensen 2000). Using number of cell types as a measure of complexity, we see that complexity has been increasing more or less constantly since the beginning of the Cambrian (Valentine et al. 1994).

Major radiations of life forms have occurred at other times, too. One of the most extensive diversifications of life occurred in the Ordovician, for example (Miller 1997).
Anything else?
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:08 PM
 
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What a laughably wrong site.

The first point is disproven by the mere fact that we've created amino acids, the building blocks of life, from non-life.

Not that it has anything to DO with evolution, as abiogenesis is something else COMPLETELY.

Hint: If it has to do with the "origin of life", then it has nothing to do with evolution.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:18 PM
 
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Darwinism is real. lol

I don't know why many fail to agree, but they rather believe in some book written hundreds of years ago. Most scientists have proven Darwinism on so many scales, so why do most humans won't buy it?
I don't know but they are called Liberals and they refuse to believe that only the most fit should survive and the weak and helpless should be removed from the gene pool.

It's a waste of money to teach Darwinsm in school if it's not allowed to be practiced.
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