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Old 12-09-2011, 10:10 PM
 
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The first ones they do, like when a guy opens a small restaurant and hires a chef and kitchen staff and waiters etc. But then when that restaurant does good business and the founder decides to expand, like maybe installing a bar and hiring a bartender or opening for lunch or even opening other restaurants, credit for those new jobs must also go to the employees whose work helped that restaurant succeed and also of course the customers who helped that restaurant succeed
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Old 12-09-2011, 10:12 PM
 
Location: United State of Texas
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SOME of the credit goes to the employees. A business succeeds with a good business plan, financial support, and quality management... then comes good employee / consumer relations. It takes the whole pie.
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Old 12-09-2011, 10:14 PM
 
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Who creates jobs? Consumers.
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Old 12-09-2011, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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And the employees are rewarded for their contribution to the success of the business...
It's called a paycheck!
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Old 12-09-2011, 10:23 PM
 
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a waitress can not hire an accountant, bartender, manager, janitor, etc.

The only one that can hire another person is the owner, whether it is by the owner himself, or the owners authorization to another individual like a manager or even a waitress to hire someone. Thus, creating a new job is entirely authorized by the job creator and his ultimate choice to hire or not.
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Old 12-09-2011, 10:30 PM
 
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a waitress can not hire an accountant, bartender, manager, janitor, etc.

The only one that can hire another person is the owner, whether it is by the owner himself, or the owners authorization to another individual like a manager or even a waitress to hire someone. Thus, creating a new job is entirely authorized by the job creator and his ultimate choice to hire or not.
The "job creator" can't really create a "job" without demand, can he? Who creates the demand? The customer/consumer, right? So the real job creators are the consumer/customers. The more of them that you have, the more jobs you have. That's why you need a good, healthy middle class -- extreme income inequality diminishes the middle class. Progressive tax rates on high income increases the middle class.
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Old 12-10-2011, 06:01 AM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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The "job creator" can't really create a "job" without demand, can he? Who creates the demand? The customer/consumer, right? So the real job creators are the consumer/customers. The more of them that you have, the more jobs you have. That's why you need a good, healthy middle class -- extreme income inequality diminishes the middle class. Progressive tax rates on high income increases the middle class.
Great point. It's amazing how people think that business owners can simply create jobs out of thin air by their own will, as if they had a magic wand or something. Economics is more complex than that. They can't. They too are constrained by forces in the market. But considering which side the whole "job creator" worship cult is coming from, it's not too surprising that they haven't thought of that yet.
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Old 12-10-2011, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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And the employees are rewarded for their contribution to the success of the business...
It's called a paycheck!

Seriously, this whole notion that employees are owed something on top of what they are paid is a bunch of collectivist nonsense. A worker provides a service for which they receive a paycheck. END OF TRANSACTION.
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:20 AM
 
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And the employees are rewarded for their contribution to the success of the business...
It's called a paycheck!

And the owners and CEO's are awarded for their contribution to the success of the business...
It's called a profit!

So why is it all the credit (from the right anyway) for creating those jobs goes to the owner while the workers are typically dismissed as people who should be glad they have a job?
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:24 AM
 
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a waitress can not hire an accountant, bartender, manager, janitor, etc.

The only one that can hire another person is the owner, whether it is by the owner himself, or the owners authorization to another individual like a manager or even a waitress to hire someone. Thus, creating a new job is entirely authorized by the job creator and his ultimate choice to hire or not.
That owner can not expand his business without that waitress, or accountant or bartender or manager or janitor etc. In fact he can't even get his business off the ground without them unless it's a very small one where he's the only one working there
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