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There appears to be a gene which makes some people more susceptible to lung cancer. That may be why some smokers never get lung cancer.
There are genetic factors in cardiovascular disease. That may be why some smokers never get heart attacks.
We cannot use statistics to tell what will happen to an individual. We use them to tell the probability of what will happen to groups of people. Probablility tells us that smokers on average will not live as long as non-smokers.
Look at Dr. Pearl's data from 1938. Given groups of non-smokers, light smokers, and heavy smokers, at age 95 there are slightly more light smokers than non-smokers alive. Interesting, no? But the majority of deaths in light and heavy smokers come in the earlier age groups. So you may be a smoker and live to be 95, but the odds are the majority of smokers will die at earlier ages than non-smokers.
In 1938, about 43% of non-smokers died before age 65. About 62% of heavy smokers did. Light smokers were in between.
Today, adult smokers die about 14 years earlier than non-smokers. Since there is no way to know what factors protected the 95 year old smokers, it behooves us to remove tobacco from the equation.
Only tobacco? It's not the only variable. What about other things?
Michigan and Wisconsin have banned smoking in hotels. This happened last year. Jennifer Granholm is an anti-freedom slob and a left wing zealot. It's no wonder that Michigan elected a Republican this time for Governor.
My wife and I recently went on vacation down south. Coming back north we discovered that we couldn't get a smoking room at any hotel in WI or MI.
Why would these states discourage tourism? Tourism is one of Michigan's biggest industries. It's stupid.
If someone smokes in a hotel room -- IT WILL NOT KILL THE FAMILY IN THE NEXT ROOM. Get it Democrats?
Why is it that whenever LIBERALS are in charge ..... AMERICANS lose their FREEDOM?
Losing your freedom? You are free to go outside anywhere to smoke.
The thread is about smoking in motels/hotels. It's not about being exposed to cigarette smoke from another car in a tunnel. The lengths smokers will go to deflect is incredible!
The thread is about smoking in motels/hotels. It's not about being exposed to cigarette smoke from another car in a tunnel. The lengths smokers will go to deflect is incredible!
But, as you well know, the conversation turns on what level of SHS is deemed to be dangerous and, correct me if I'm wrong, you're one of those who believe no level of exposure is justified, no matter how slight. There is no limit at which it is safe and your position is that laws are necessary to eliminate the threat of exposure.
So, the level of SHS in a tunnel you might use is very much germain to this conversation. So too would a discussion on any other place you might be exposed to trace amounts of SHS simply because it would reveal the depths of your commitment to the principle that no exposure is safe.
If a debater stands on a principle, it's well within the bounds of debating etiquette to question the sincerity of that principle, is it not?
Last edited by stillkit; 01-04-2012 at 09:29 AM..
Reason: choice of words
Groundhog Day! It's a public accomodation. Smoking is a public health issue.
There's no relation between public accommodations and public health issues? If that's true, why are we even having this conversation?
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