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Old 12-23-2011, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Is the Spaniard who wrote this peace a liar? Muslims say so when they say that what we all know happened didn't happen. This man was thinking outside the Muslim box but thinking very well about what is going on in Europe right now. An outstanding comparison of Jews and Muslims in world history is available here.

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez | Romelio's View
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:15 PM
 
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Is the Spaniard who wrote this peace a liar? Muslims say so when they say that what we all know happened didn't happen. This man was thinking outside the Muslim box but thinking very well about what is going on in Europe right now. An outstanding comparison of Jews and Muslims in world history is available here.

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez | Romelio's View
Ehhh...i'm not buying it. That's nonsense. I lived in Europe for the better part of 13 years, and this is straight up hyperbole.

The only thing that happened with Auschwitz as far as i'm concerned is a reaffirmation that Europe is the continent of death....but they've tried really hard to turn it around.

But to say European life died in Auschwitz is ridiculous.
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:29 PM
 
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Ehhh...i'm not buying it. That's nonsense. I lived in Europe for the better part of 13 years, and this is straight up hyperbole.

The only thing that happened with Auschwitz as far as i'm concerned is a reaffirmation that Europe is the continent of death....but they've tried really hard to turn it around.

But to say European life died in Auschwitz is ridiculous.
You should read the link just for fun. You may see that over 20 million Muslims have moved into Europe to replace the 6 million Jews who were killed in concentration camps in Europe. You may even find a list of Nobel prize winners of each persuasion. Yep, the Europeans allowed Muslims to come in and create living quarters like those suggested by the author of that piece.

Tried to turn that around, you say? Why have they allowed Muslims to live as they would under Sharia in so many places? Why have they allowed them to keep all their normal ways of living and not even try to assimilate? I think yours is a bit silly.
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Old 12-23-2011, 11:07 PM
 
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You should read the link just for fun. You may see that over 20 million Muslims have moved into Europe to replace the 6 million Jews who were killed in concentration camps in Europe. You may even find a list of Nobel prize winners of each persuasion. Yep, the Europeans allowed Muslims to come in and create living quarters like those suggested by the author of that piece.

Tried to turn that around, you say? Why have they allowed Muslims to live as they would under Sharia in so many places? Why have they allowed them to keep all their normal ways of living and not even try to assimilate? I think yours is a bit silly.
More Beck conspiracy theories that the muslims are taking over the world?
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:30 AM
 
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More Beck conspiracy theories that the muslims are taking over the world?
Funny, but Beck is not the one who wrote that piece...

Also, there is a difference between most Muslims and radical ones...

Life is not black and white and people don't always fit neatly into stereotypes as the far lefties want you to believe

Please educate yourself on European history, Muslims, Jews etc.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:41 AM
 
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I always find people who worship and deify different ethnic groups to be really creepy. The way Neoconservatives worship and deify Jews remind me of the way North Koreans worship the Kim family.
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Old 12-24-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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You should read the link just for fun. You may see that over 20 million Muslims have moved into Europe to replace the 6 million Jews who were killed in concentration camps in Europe. You may even find a list of Nobel prize winners of each persuasion. Yep, the Europeans allowed Muslims to come in and create living quarters like those suggested by the author of that piece.

Tried to turn that around, you say? Why have they allowed Muslims to live as they would under Sharia in so many places? Why have they allowed them to keep all their normal ways of living and not even try to assimilate? I think yours is a bit silly.
Ok Roy....i'll be silly.

But still, it's a ridiculous assertion. The author in that link didn't say anything that makes sense. He's taking a presupposition that had Europe not exterminated it's Jews, they would've never imported so many Muslims. The Jewish population of Pre-War Europe was large...yes, but not THAT large. The Europeans still managed to wipe out about 60 million of their own people. That means that even had they not killed so much of the Jewish population in an intentional fashion, a hell of a lot of them still would've died in combat, air raids, suicides (huge in Europe in the aftermath of the war), etc..

The Europeans imported these Muslims because they needed labor after losing so many young men of working age. So the number of Jews killed as it pertains to this conversation is meaningless....it's not even relevant.
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:06 AM
 
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You should read the link just for fun. You may see that over 20 million Muslims have moved into Europe to replace the 6 million Jews who were killed in concentration camps in Europe.
"Replace" is an odd choice of words. 4.55 million of the 5.7 million Jews killed in Europe were from Poland, Hungary and the USSR. There are no Muslims to speak of in Poland or Hungary. The Muslims in the former USSR have been there all along.

Furthermore, if the Muslims are as retrograde and worthless as the article alleges, the idea of European governments constructing their immigration policies based on the concept of them as "replacements" for generally better-educated Jews seems doubtful and requires some sort of evidence to be believed.
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:15 AM
 
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"Replace" is an odd choice of words. 4.55 million of the 5.7 million Jews killed in Europe were from Poland, Hungary and the USSR. There are no Muslims to speak of in Poland or Hungary. The Muslims in the former USSR have been there all along.

Furthermore, if the Muslims are as retrograde and worthless as the article alleges, the idea of European governments constructing their immigration policies based on the concept of them as "replacements" for generally better-educated Jews seems doubtful and requires some sort of evidence to be believed.
Great point. Even without intentional extermination, a few million of those Jews would've still died anyway, either as direct combatants, or in the peripheral effect that wars have on people living in direct proximity to intense combat. The Jews of Eastern Europe were in the eye of the storm regardless when you consider the places where they lived.

And the fact that most were living behind what would become the Iron Curtain (as you pointed out) means that even if the community had survived intact, they would have had ZERO impact on the formulation of immigration policies in Western Europe....nations that the author of that link is clearly referencing.

This stuff is just a bunch of anti-Muslim bigotry at the end of the day IMO.
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:18 AM
 
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Is the Spaniard who wrote this peace a liar? Muslims say so when they say that what we all know happened didn't happen. This man was thinking outside the Muslim box but thinking very well about what is going on in Europe right now. An outstanding comparison of Jews and Muslims in world history is available here.

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez | Romelio's View
Hey Roy,

Not sure where all the anti-Muslim propaganda is from, nor do I understand the notion that Muslims are "taking over Europe" when Muslim populations in countries such as Germany, France, the UK and the Netherlands range between just 3-8% of the total population (I picked the most ethnically diverse countries in the EU as examples):

BBC NEWS | Europe | Muslims in Europe: Country guide

The percentage is higher in France because many of the Muslims in France came from, or are descended from immigrants from former French African colonies.
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